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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 01:35 PM
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In the vid at the first link, there is a Camaro spinning out at 2:27... anyone notice that?

The Boss will likely be quite the performer. Who knows how much it will cost to buy one.

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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
I firmly believe GM could tune up the Camaro, even with its higher weight, without doing anything drastic. The car needs some wider front wheels/tires (that would add a few pounds) and some suspension retuning, maybe something in the vein of what Pedders offers.
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Both Pfdaft and Pedders have sucessfully proven you can make the gen 5 Camaro worthy of holyness in the handling department by chassis tuning and dropping to a light 19" rim and wider tire . GM could accomplish the same if they chose to . ITs my opinion the Camaros SS's weaksauce handing was a concious tradeoff for superior ride quality. Wider tires I almost garantee would be lighter overal on a lightweight 19" rim over the heavy stock 20" Suburban wheels .

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Old Aug 14, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
I firmly believe GM could tune up the Camaro, even with its higher weight, without doing anything drastic. The car needs some wider front wheels/tires (that would add a few pounds) and some suspension retuning, maybe something in the vein of what Pedders offers.

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Well, let's see them do it then Joe.

Is it that they don't feel the need for it? Have some of us not been vocal enough? Is it that they are so indecisive that they want Ford to provide proof of concept before GM will risk proceeding with anything? Come on, come on, come on, let's quicken our step over there GM! I mean the Camaro SS is GM's response to the 2005 GT. The '12 Z/28 is GM's response to the 2007 GT500. So can we expect a GM response to the Boss circa '16?


COME ON GM, LET'S MOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old Aug 14, 2010 | 03:11 PM
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Charlie , I think a little old GM is straggling around in the respect that they are still very much reactive as opposed to proactive . On the gt500 comment , it is a 2011 car thats roaming around with the 6.2 sc proto . If they were wise , theyd should be one of the few that snatches up a Boss for a homework assignment lol .
Old Aug 15, 2010 | 03:39 PM
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Well, let's see them do it then Joe.

Is it that they don't feel the need for it? Have some of us not been vocal enough? Is it that they are so indecisive that they want Ford to provide proof of concept before GM will risk proceeding with anything? Come on, come on, come on, let's quicken our step over there GM! I mean the Camaro SS is GM's response to the 2005 GT. The '12 Z/28 is GM's response to the 2007 GT500. So can we expect a GM response to the Boss circa '16?
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The Camaro is still selling well, without incentives, whereas you can already find good discounts on 2011 V6 Mustangs. I.e., Ford needs a halo model more than GM.

I'll be surprised if GM doesn't have a reply for MY 2013 (and if the Camaro is still selling at close to list at that time). Remember that the Boss is MY 2012.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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Old Aug 16, 2010 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by teal98
The Camaro is still selling well, without incentives, whereas you can already find good discounts on 2011 V6 Mustangs. I.e., Ford needs a halo model more than GM.

I'll be surprised if GM doesn't have a reply for MY 2013 (and if the Camaro is still selling at close to list at that time). Remember that the Boss is MY 2012.
Sure, the Camaro is still selling well. Although, it seems to have slipped behind the Mustang in sales volume in the past couple of months.

If GM is planning a Boss type package for the Camaro, I guess it would be classified tip top secret - since no one is aware of it. GM also recognizes the limits of the current car's architecture.

Essentially, I expect no surprises. We'll have the SS, we'll have the GT500-esque Z/28, we'll have the convertible, we'll have an interior refresh ---- and that's how the 5th gen will soldier on until it's replaced.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Sure, the Camaro is still selling well. Although, it seems to have slipped behind the Mustang in sales volume in the past couple of months.

If GM is planning a Boss type package for the Camaro, I guess it would be classified tip top secret - since no one is aware of it. GM also recognizes the limits of the current car's architecture.

Essentially, I expect no surprises. We'll have the SS, we'll have the GT500-esque Z/28, we'll have the convertible, we'll have an interior refresh ---- and that's how the 5th gen will soldier on until it's replaced.
All three ponys are selling insanely well. For this economy and with each others competition you could not ask for more. I hope it never slows up for any of them.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 12:00 PM
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All three ponys are selling insanely well. For this economy and with each others competition you could not ask for more. I hope it never slows up for any of them.
Yep. Because of that, Ford will put a whole bunch of effort and resources into the next gen Mustang. My hope is that GM doesn't unsershoot what it benchmarks for future Camaros.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 90 Z28SS
Charlie , I think a little old GM is straggling around in the respect that they are still very much reactive as opposed to proactive . On the gt500 comment , it is a 2011 car thats roaming around with the 6.2 sc proto . If they were wise , theyd should be one of the few that snatches up a Boss for a homework assignment lol .
I'm positive that they will purchase a Boss. They'll test it and disassemble it. Once Ford has taken the risk and tested the water and the Boss is a success, GM may then feel safe to move forward on a package like that. By that time though - we'll be into the next gen Camaro.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 01:31 PM
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I want to see a graph of power and torque output for this engine (and the regular GT engine too, actually).
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 03:06 PM
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It will quite obviously make its power higher in the rpm band. I don't know where the actual peak will be, but I'm guessing ~7000-7200 rpm (and I did read the 7500 rpm comment). That will likely come with a small loss of low & mid-range power.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
It will quite obviously make its power higher in the rpm band. I don't know where the actual peak will be, but I'm guessing ~7000-7200 rpm (and I did read the 7500 rpm comment). That will likely come with a small loss of low & mid-range power.
We know peak torque is down by 10, so I would have to agree with this.
Old Aug 16, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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Sure, the Camaro is still selling well. Although, it seems to have slipped behind the Mustang in sales volume in the past couple of months.
As long as it's still bringing in good margins, I don't think GM cares if Mustang sells more. As far as I know, Mustang has more base production capacity.


Originally Posted by Z284ever
If GM is planning a Boss type package for the Camaro, I guess it would be classified tip top secret - since no one is aware of it. GM also recognizes the limits of the current car's architecture.
I'm sure the current car's limits are higher than where the SS currently sits.

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