I'd gladly give up that 10 ft lbs of torque.

This car is begging for some 4.10-4.30 gear.

 

I agree. 3.90's - 4.30's would make for an awesome package.

 

Yeah, but with DOHC and VVT, I want to see just how much low-end you have to give up -- because it's clearly less than you have to give up with a traditional non-variable valvetrain.

 

I agree, but we'll just have to wait and see. That said, even VTT isn't going to be able to completely compensate for the loss of low-rpm power that will be associated with the short-runner intake.

 

Awesome car! Make mine Clemson Orange...err... I mean Competition Orange, man football season is almost here, haha.

I am very surprised by the extent of the engine changes: intake, cams, heads, pistons, rods, etc. That said, I have been having some debates/discussions about the output of the 5.0L in the GT and this just confuses me more.

We have many Ford people claiming that 450rwhp will be pretty easily achieved in a CAI, headers, cams, heads, and tune 5.0L GT engine. Talking 93 octane with a streetable tune. Althought I was skeptical at first, it seems to be a reasonable claim as some have cited a dyno of 430rwhp by Livernois with just a tune and CAI. However, that car dynoed 390rwhp stock, which is very high compared to the 365-370rwhp range I have seen from others so I would like to see some more numbers of course.

I guess I am seeing all the tuning on the Boss Mustang with its factory CAI, intake, aggressive cams, raised redline, etc. and "only" 440hp and a loss of torque at that. Am I missing something? Is the Boss severly underrated perhaps, as I know Ford doesn't do SAE certification......very curious to see what it dyno's.

None of that takes anything away from how impressive the Boss is, I'm just trying to learn as much as possible.

Did they say what the weight is for the Boss?

 

You may see the final specs go up. Also, you have to remember that there will be a higher performance version of this car coming out. These engine specs are the basis for that, also.

 

Is that going to be the GT350?

Hmm, perhaps this engine is underrated or just a few tweaks away from more power that Ford will later give to the next model you are talking about.

It sounds like all the essentials to make crazy power are there, which is awesome! Honestly, this just became the number 2 car on my short list as long as the price is not insane.

Any idea how many they will build and for how many years?

 

Unfortunately no. The tidbits from sources have not gone there yet. One is just trying to figure out how he can make sure he gets one of these cars. He figures the competition for them will be fierce.

Frankly, I find the Boss to be very exciting. It is exactly how I would modify my own Mustang (and have in the past). To me, it is just very neat to see stuff like this, come out of the factory, and fully warrantied even.

 

3631 pounds. The lost some weight, but gained a little more back in go-fast items.

 

Absolutely, I was just talking to a co-worker the other day saying, "the Boss has everything done to it from Ford that I am in the process of doing to the Camaro (adjustable koni's, supportive seats, suspension, etc.) and it only weigh's around 250 pounds more but has more power."

He replied, "so you thinking about selling the Camaro and picking up a car payment". Haha, its got me thinking for sure. And I love the idea of having a new car with modern features and a nice interior for a change. Add on top of that the fact I can get it in Competition Orange (or Clemson Orange as I call it, I'm an alumni) and I am REALLY tempted. Unfortunately, I may have to wait a year or so and let prices settle down or pick up a lightly used one since I think pricing will be crazy when this comes out, but die down when the next big splash, like the GT350, is made.

I am going to follow the Boss closely. I hope they make a lot of them!

 

Now THIS is the car I would buy.

It's RWD, it's has hard focus on handling and braking, it's quick and fast, although it's unique, it's based on a vehicle common enough that replacing a fender or a door (pretty crappy drivers out there) isn't going to risk seeing your insurence go through the roof, and (apparently) it's going to be priced at a point where it's going to be worth it.

Not sure what the purpose would be since the 5.0 revs higher and generally has more HP and is far lighter weight than the 6.2.

1. V6 Mustangs aren't halo cars, the Shelby GT500 is a halo car.. Ford markets V6 Mustangsas regular cars even despite being sporty coupes. It's those V6 sales that make Mustangs a success (and coincidently, a key reason why the 4th gen failed miserably). Do you really want to compare current V6 Mustang and Camaro sales?

2. Currently, there is no GM "reply" to the Boss Mustang in the works. Ford has been working on the Boss version of the new Mustang at the very least 2 years.

Conceptionally, sure, GM can adopt the Z28's suspension and braking components with the SS' powertrain with the LS3 programed to Corvette's tune, +/- 440hp. Do you really see GM going as far as Ford did in developing a specific engine (exibit A: Ford replaced the the GM-like powered metal connecting rods with sinter-forged connecting rods?). I don't. At any rate, it's doubtful that such Camaro would have the racetrack ability of the Boss, unless it was a full court effort (like Ford) and some extensive time was spent on tracks (and not just a certain one in Germany, either).

But then does the Camaro need to have a Boss version???

Most Camaro SS buyers still go for automatics while most Mustang GT buyers choose manuals. Mustang buyers are also traditionally more likely to personalize and/or take their car to a track than Camaro buyers.

No insults or put downs intended. On the contrary, my point is that the new Camaro reflects it's buyer's preferences: have a ready made car that is quick, has top speed bragging rights, attracts attention, and is a great car to go cruising in.

(Save the Shelby GT500) V8 Mustangs seem to be more geared towards bringing track cars to the masses and do-it-yourselfers.

Just an obvservation.

 

Sure about that? Info I have shows the LS3 at about 415 lbs and the 5.0 at 430.

 

I think he was saying Ford needs a halo Mustang, like this Boss model, to add some interest to the lineup. He was using discounts on the V6 as a reason why a halo is needed.

Also, I wouldn't say the 4th gen "failed miserably". Sales dropped heavily later in the car's life, but 10 years is an eternity for a model cycle. The refresh in '07/'08 brought some improvements, but the car didn't get much attention from GM after that.He is talking about the iron block Ford 6.2L truck engine, not the LS3.

 

I was just hoping they would take the 6.2 and punch it out to 429 cubic inches and make the Boss 429.

 

Yep. "SOHC" should have been your clue that he wasn't talking about an LS motor.