Change the bet.

Flint doesn't really have any restaurants worth a damn, and the closest thing to a good restaurant in the Birch Run area (Franken Eck) closed.

Make him take you to the Excalibur in Southfield.

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

GMAC is the reason GM has billions of dollars in cash on hand. God only knows when GMNA will turn a profit. GM might make a separate company out of GMAC like Hughes, but selling it outright isnt wise.

 

So then the problem is with the interaction between the dealers and company policy and if they were to give you exactly what you asked for above, the public would change their opionins of GM product and the auto press would start writing good reviews of all GM product too, right? Funny, I read many auto publications and I don't recall any of them saying "all GM needs to do is fix the problems with the dealer network".

Also, since it's your claim that Wagoner is responsible for the headaches of the dealer force and that is what is holding back sales and market share, has he done something different with the Caddy dealers recently that allows them to sell so many more vehicles? No. Hmm, maybe it's the fact they now have good product to sell.

How much has sales at Suski gone up since you started this publicity bandwagon by the way?

 

BUICKMAN article

 

The bet is on. Flint does have a few nice restaurants besides the usual chains. The Red Rooster still uses table clothes and serves fine food with excellent service. Either way, it will be good to met you and enjoy a fine dinner.
As to The Plan, please remember the first twenty points are what was released. There are many more which include things like product and warranty. IMO we need to stay focused on the issues and stop quibbling amongst ourselves. Don't we all share a common desire to see GM succeed? It's true, The Plan's first steps were revealed to shareholders, however, that was a private meeting of the owners of GM, not a public forum.
For the life of me, I can't understand the difficulty in honoring a simple request. I joined this forum looking to improve on the ideas while sharing info with fellow GM supporters. Having been betrayed by a few inconsiderate individuals doesn't spoil my attitude or feelings about the many who have contributed. Honestly, part of me just wants to cut it loose and have everyone join in here and make progress. I'm sure the debate would be interesting. Problem is, too much would be accessible to others who are out to rob us of our strengths, which include the knowledge and imagination which I know makes The Return possible.
Buickman

 

Ok Mr. Jim "Buickman" Dollinger,
while I’m not a huge fan of car salesman, don’t agree Wag should "just go" and you have not received the best reception here I'll still keep an open mind. Where is your plan? I'd like to look over it as I'm sure many here would too.

I think you should keep an open mind too. Criticism here is some of the best criticism you can get on the internet on this topic.

Stay around I like to hear opposing thoughts.

 

I'm at Suski right now and The Plan is at my Real Estate office. I'll send you the details this evening. Thank you for your interest.

 

To be fair, I have not read your proposal in it's entirety... I should do that.

If you would send it to me as well, I'd appreciate it.

My email addy is in my profile...

 

Gladly, look for it this evening, thanks. I'll look forward to your opinion, good or bad. We can review each other's position, clear up any questions, and most likely come to an understanding as reasonable gentlemen.

 

I've reviewed the "A Return To Greatness" email you've sent out. Upon reading, I immediately liked many of the ideas, but few to none were truely original ideas. I've grown up in the dealership environment, as has my father, and we can tell you first hand how elderly some of these idea really are. Again, not to knock anyone's ideas, but they are nothing more than anyone else in the dealership atmoshpere has already thought of, myself included. I would gladly explain further, but only if Buickman would like so.

 

Please send me an email on each item you feel like discussing and I'll review with you why I feel they will improve share and by how much. I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts. I do not claim these are anything revolutionary, just simple basics that "work".
Buickman@GeneralWatch.com

 

Not wanting to throw fire, but being that this is a public message board and there are all kinds of opinions, wouldn't you be open to the opening of points right here and gauging how others feel? In others words, I'd love to discuss each point on how it would or wouldn't work right here, right now.

You've been messing around and arguing with a lot of very sharp people on here and have self praised very much, so are you game?

 

Hello? Anyone out there? Running out of spin?

 

A lot of these very sharp people you mention have responded and the discussions have been very indepth. Besides not posting the specifics for everyone to see, respondents have revealed a LOT of inside information that wouldn't ever have been posted here. You'd be amazed to learn what I have, so don't discount something you really aren't aware of. Perhaps that's why most of what's left being discussed here is by the stone throwers, the true efforts at improving GM are underway, just not under your nose. There is far more exchange happening via email than what you see here and it's almost completely positive in attitutde and done with respect. Not everyone agrees with The Plan in it's entirety, there's been convincing done both ways, but at least the debating is rational and has caused improvenments to the steps. For example, I've learned a considerable amount about the demise of Olds and have come to better understand product launches.
Caddy resurgence is due to the product, no doubt. They also cut back drastically on incentives and placed aspirational ads, getting off price.
Want to debate the points, send the email. You must agree to confidentiality, I'll trust your word, even though some have felt no remorse in betraying a confidence.
Buickman