I see what you mean. It's not about being the fastest; it's about having the most fun!

 

Wow. Demeaning, much?

Basically, if you don't run "real circuit racing", then your vote doesn't count. Neither does your opinion (at least not as much) nor the money you spend for cars/equipment, I guess.

 

AMG is technically after market and many people consider that stock. FPV and HSV are technically after market, would you consider them stock?

The Super Snake is ordered through select Ford dealers and delivered to the showroom by Ford operations. It is serviced in Ford dealerships under the Ford warranty (unless you choose the one that forgoes the warranty).

It is the same thing as the 4th gen SS and Firehawk cars, which are considered stock by pretty much everyone (even though they went to SLP for parts additions).

 

I prefer an IRS not just for the advantage over bumps but more for camber and toe adjustment ability.

For drag racing, SRA is the way to go.

 

I always considered them stock but that is an interesting way to look at it. Now, that I think about it. You're correct. They are aftermarket companies installing aftermarket parts.

 

Obviously you missed his unprovoked shot at me... but at least he did agree with my reasons regarding the benefits of IRS. Btw, did you not get the gist of Mr Chew's post, Bob? Stop quoting me ... for the sake of his well being!

Since the Mustang worshippers don't think much of my opinions regarding IRS's superiority over the SRA, I'll just confine myself to talking about Camaros. Oh wait, I can't even do that either because I get labelled a GM fan boy every time I express any favourable comment about the 5G... from those who refuse to even drive one. I guess the sound thing to do would be to jump on their bandwagon and heap crap about it being so heavy... just to win them over.

What was this topic about again? Oh yes, Alpha, Camaro, size and weight. About as novel a discussion here as the theme on www.hairybacks.com.

 

AMG is owned by Daimler. They are in-house. Because they happen to fabricate their own components and build ground up racecars is irrelevant to your (incorrect) analogy.

You are incorrect about your assumption that Shelby is under the Ford umbrella. No matter how much spin you put on it.

 

So what about SLP and the 4th gen Camaro SS? I never said Shelby was owned by Ford. And nothing I said was false.

Edit: Super Snake Ordering Guide. Notice what it says in the lower right hand corner of each page Ford Division.

I bring some facts to you and then you just ignore them and keep your own opinion. Having seen how you debate with others on the forum, I am done. Just keep believing what you want to believe.

 

Just because Ford and/or its dealers have a business arrangement with an aftermarket company does not imply the car is a STOCK Ford! When will you eventually understand that basic fact?

The business arrangement that Ford and Shelby have obviously suits the marketability of both Ford and Shelby. That's the reason they do it... but it's far from being "part of the Ford stable" as you imply.

But you don't have to understand my valid comments. I'm only 15,000 miles away so why would you possibly want to try to hear me?

 

The business arrangement between Ford and Shelby is very identical the business arrangement GM had with SLP for the 4th gens.

 

I think it's absurd that you would say it's absurd.

It's pretty safe to say that GM was counting on V6 sales to ultimately make up the majority of Camaro sales. 60%? 65%? More? It's a fact that they have sold at a FAR smaller percentage than that, 20-30%.

Unless you feel that this is the ideal mix GM was going for? If not, then the V6 is a s-l-o-w seller so far.

That's where I come up with this.

Now it's possible that pent up demand has had a hand in artificially altering this sales mix initially. But then of course we've got a whole faction on this site, which believes the notion of "pent up demand" is a myth....so whatever....

 

I hear ya Korry.

His posts are still bleeding through my ignore filter...

 

Given the much higher profit margin in the V8, they probably really don't care that much. BTW, can you cite data on V6/V8 mix, or is that a rumor?


If the V6 were actually selling poorly, it would have had discounts long before now, and they would be significant, not paltry. So I don't see a problem there.

I've not seen arguments over pent up demand that you refer to. Clearly there was, and I expect most of that pent up demand has gone to the SS model. The coupe market is fickle and one would expect sales to drop and discounts to match the rest of the industry (it's not hard to find 10%+ on almost any car in the paper). I would also expect the sales percentage to tilt towards the V6.

The gas mileage difference between V6 and V8 really isn't significant enough, in my opinion, to create a large difference in demand based on that alone. I would think that GM would be happy to continue to sell V8 models with their much larger profit margin.

As far as CAFE, that's what the Cruze and Volt are for.

 

Sort of. Both vehicle types are capable. Both are fast. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

As an analogy...

Both of these will cause bodily harm. Both can be used to win a fight. Which which one best piques your interest?





Now you've chosen what class you want to run in.

 

Yet no matter how many times you're corrected you still post these fantasy numbers. V-6 sales are 40% of Camaro sales!