Alpha, Alpha + and Beta...
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Your opinions don't annoy me, they humor me. Very much. Thanks. 
And I do like to consider myself an enthusiast (whether someone else does or does not is irrelevant). I simply "get my rocks off" in a different mode of racing, and that happens to favor the SRA for a number of reasons. There seems to be a few people that share my POV too.
To each their own. But please don't stop providing the humorous input.
Thanks.
Bob
And I do like to consider myself an enthusiast (whether someone else does or does not is irrelevant). I simply "get my rocks off" in a different mode of racing, and that happens to favor the SRA for a number of reasons. There seems to be a few people that share my POV too.
To each their own. But please don't stop providing the humorous input.
Thanks.
Bob
I know you don't care, I'm just sayin'.
Oh, btw our roads are crap compared to yours... so there's the good reason!
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As we see with the 5th gen - Camaro ain't getting any cheaper. Nevertheless, you can bet that the 6th gen base model will be within afew bucks of the Mustang base model. And whatever that price may be, Alpha may still be profitable at that price point. The key is for these cars to be desireable enough to sell near MSRP and sell some options.
We can say that so far the base 5th gen hasn't really excelled in that regard. In fact, I've already seen two ads where dealers are advertising V6 Camaros with heavy discounts already.
I just see so many opportunities for an Alpha Camaro to capitalize on compared to the current car.
We can say that so far the base 5th gen hasn't really excelled in that regard. In fact, I've already seen two ads where dealers are advertising V6 Camaros with heavy discounts already.
I just see so many opportunities for an Alpha Camaro to capitalize on compared to the current car.
They need to change just 1 thing about the LS to improve it's sales.
Replace the wheels with something else, I know there are people on here that like the steel wheels but to the vast majority of the public (you know the public that buys V6 Camaros) those black wheels look ridiculous...I bet if you change the wheels to something more in line with the LT rims you'd see a huge difference in sales for the LS.
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They need to change just 1 thing about the LS to improve it's sales.
Replace the wheels with something else, I know there are people on here that like the steel wheels but to the vast majority of the public (you know the public that buys V6 Camaros) those black wheels look ridiculous...I bet if you change the wheels to something more in line with the LT rims you'd see a huge difference in sales for the LS.
Replace the wheels with something else, I know there are people on here that like the steel wheels but to the vast majority of the public (you know the public that buys V6 Camaros) those black wheels look ridiculous...I bet if you change the wheels to something more in line with the LT rims you'd see a huge difference in sales for the LS.
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(not necessarily the same platform) with the mix being adjusted based on demand.
For sure, they'll be at the same complex, whether or not the same line I don't know. Actually, that being the case, I'm not sure where Regal which is on Ep II fits in there, If not on the Zeta line, would it be with the Impala(?) but that's a W body and is FWD too. Is the Ep II ramp-up (next year) going to coincide with the W-body demise(?) - it can't if Impala is supposed to hang around for another couple of years. So.....
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-Geoff
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Well that is a cop out if ever I saw one. You won't stand by your comment is a sure sign of weakness.
We aren't talking theory here, buddy. We are talking vastly different complex products designed and built with complex engineering solutions to withstand relatively high physical forces. One product is extremely well engineered. The other product is merely competent in comparison.
The figures speak for themselves even if you won't commit to your preachings.
We aren't talking theory here, buddy. We are talking vastly different complex products designed and built with complex engineering solutions to withstand relatively high physical forces. One product is extremely well engineered. The other product is merely competent in comparison.
The figures speak for themselves even if you won't commit to your preachings.
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12 months of mark-ups, 100,000+ cars sold and the 2011's right around the corner, doesn't make that seem like a desperation move at all. Remember order banks for the 2010 are closed, with only dealer stock orders going through til April 30th.
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Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
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I was all for IRS on Camaro. In fact, I still am. But I'm not going to sit with fingers firmly in my ears and ignore the data that clearly shows the "poor ol', underengineered" SRA Mustang is getting the job done.
Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
Yep this is america.
I don't want Ford to think about Australians when building the Mustangs.
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I was all for IRS on Camaro. In fact, I still am. But I'm not going to sit with fingers firmly in my ears and ignore the data that clearly shows the "poor ol', underengineered" SRA Mustang is getting the job done.
Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
I've also noticed alot of hypersensitivity by some of our Aussie friends regarding Zeta. It's a great large sedan architecture which fits Holden's domestic and export markets well.. But as you said, we're all into Pony Cars here....
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I'm not calling them desperate, I'm saying that they have so far been slow sellers and dealers are begining to run ads with them marked down.
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Maybe it's all just a cultural thing. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you guys in Oz love bigger performance vehicles that are built like bank vaults and ride smooth and compliant while providing impressive handling characteristics considering their size. I've seen you on more than one occasion compare Camaro to Commodore and now, Mustang to Falcon. The problem with those comparisons is that our cars are pony cars, and there are (or should be) distinct differences in size and capability between our pony cars and the full-size sedans running around the Outback.
GM built with the best platform they had.
-Geoff
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The Camaro, even the V6 version, has been spectacularly successful so far, Charlie. Discounts in ads are a part of the business, and I expect them even on SS models before the end of the year. It happens with every hot model.