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03-29-2010, 12:40 PM
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I suppose if forced induction is used as a standard configuration on the four and six motors than they will take up more of the space that the V8 occupies, so the bays won't look so empty as may have happened in the past.
For me,thinking back, nothing looked more ridiculous for me than popping the hood on a third gen and seeing the 2.8l engine, it looked like there was enough room for another engine in there, but the 5.0l or 5.7l small block looked quite at home. I can't recall personally seeing a 2.5l four banger under a Camaro hood, but I'm sure it was a sight to behold.
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03-29-2010, 03:27 PM
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For me,thinking back, nothing looked more ridiculous for me than popping the hood on a third gen and seeing the 2.8l engine, it looked like there was enough room for another engine in there, but the 5.0l or 5.7l small block looked quite at home. I can't recall personally seeing a 2.5l four banger under a Camaro hood, but I'm sure it was a sight to behold.
03-29-2010, 04:05 PM
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03-29-2010, 07:25 PM
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03-29-2010, 10:35 PM
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There's a discussion on GMI about Peter DeLorenzo on Autoline ... apparently he saw an Alpha car, which he described as "very nice" and there was some speculation about the weight being 3450 lbs... though it's a bit hard to believe all the hype... then there are also the conflicting arguments...
03-29-2010, 11:07 PM
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03-30-2010, 12:10 AM
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Actually, it seems that there is a lot of confusion about Impala...
nsap (with good inside contacts... on GMI) is adamant Impala will be FWD. Others are simply hanging to comments from PDL on the show during a point where, he, himself was confused during the moment...
Here's the link anyway: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...ill-rwd-90460/
03-30-2010, 08:35 AM
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It would have IRS, which does add about 100 pounds.
Mustang itself was nearly from scratch.
Yes, I can imagine it, and I don't think heads would roll. I think you're still underestimating what it takes to package a powerful V8 with requisite equipment for stopping, durability, and safety requirements.
Maybe it can come in at 3550 or 3600. Everyone else with a similar layout is weigh(
) above that number, and that is not from lack of effort.
If they can make a V8 work at 3550, then I think they should be able to make a V6 work at 3250-3300, which would also undercut everyone else.
Mustang itself was nearly from scratch.
Yes, I can imagine it, and I don't think heads would roll. I think you're still underestimating what it takes to package a powerful V8 with requisite equipment for stopping, durability, and safety requirements.
Maybe it can come in at 3550 or 3600. Everyone else with a similar layout is weigh(
) above that number, and that is not from lack of effort.If they can make a V8 work at 3550, then I think they should be able to make a V6 work at 3250-3300, which would also undercut everyone else.
And yes - I DO believe heads would roll >>big time<< if after spending hundreds of millions of dollars ($1 billion????), and what amounts to over half of a decade of development (off and on), on a lightweight architecture, and then miserably failing to deliver. Heads rolling? More than that. It would be a blood bath.
03-30-2010, 09:03 AM
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For me,thinking back, nothing looked more ridiculous for me than popping the hood on a third gen and seeing the 2.8l engine, it looked like there was enough room for another engine in there, but the 5.0l or 5.7l small block looked quite at home. I can't recall personally seeing a 2.5l four banger under a Camaro hood, but I'm sure it was a sight to behold.
The 2.8L
03-30-2010, 09:10 AM
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03-30-2010, 10:11 AM
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Nice.... IIRC, from some angles you could see a whole lot of ground from certain angles when looking at the 2.8... lots of room for modding:-). A plus for collisions, you could crumple the entire front end almost to the strut towers before hitting the engine. From these pics, the 2.5 looks to take up a bit more room.... well except for the dinky little air cleaner.
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03-30-2010, 05:29 PM
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And yes - I DO believe heads would roll >>big time<< if after spending hundreds of millions of dollars ($1 billion????), and what amounts to over half of a decade of development (off and on), on a lightweight architecture, and then miserably failing to deliver. Heads rolling? More than that. It would be a blood bath.
The 2011 Mustang GT weighs 3603 pounds, base. I don't think it has a lot of fat. Add IRS, another 50hp and tq, a few more years of regulations, and 3700 seems a very reasonable number. Maybe they'll beat it and hit 3600. That'd be great. But I'm going to at least wait for credible rumors before I start getting excited over a featherweight V8 Camaro.
I seem to recall you saying years ago that the current one wouldn't be 3800 either (that was my early estimate). I don't think anyone's been fired over that.
03-30-2010, 08:24 PM
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I've read the posts on MT and on gminsidenews, and you're the only one to italicize lightweight. I've not read anywhere that it will use unusual materials (like an all-aluminum body, etc.) to be especially lighter than the competition. So I figure they're aiming for competitive.