Alpha, Alpha + and Beta...
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The 2011 GT is under engineered but beats the 2010 SS in every performance category.
What exactly would that say about the 2010 SS?
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Don't tell me the Mustang was tested on a smooth surface where its obvious failings are masked?
If you like your SRAs good. So did the early settlers. You guys are in good company!
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I mean if the under engineered stang won then the camaro must be from caveman times.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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The irony is you guys think 'you're kind of the castle' because of one road test... a drag strip. Let's wait to see what some other road tests show up.
No, let's wait and see how the public vote with their wallets. Performance times might be in the Mustang's favor but I wonder if the car is as good when raced on an undulating surface?
Have you ever driven a VE or Camaro? Do you know what the ride/handling is like? I bet its handling capabilities far exceed your own driving abilities. And probably most others' on this forum.
No, let's wait and see how the public vote with their wallets. Performance times might be in the Mustang's favor but I wonder if the car is as good when raced on an undulating surface?
Have you ever driven a VE or Camaro? Do you know what the ride/handling is like? I bet its handling capabilities far exceed your own driving abilities. And probably most others' on this forum.
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Anyways, back on topic... sorta
If people here believe that the 2014 Mustang will be smaller and lighter than the current offering (and there are) I'm wondering how that would be so given the current car is only just able to accommodate the Coyote V8 between its towers?
So is there really any serious target that Alpha Camaro needs to undercut other than the 5G?
If people here believe that the 2014 Mustang will be smaller and lighter than the current offering (and there are) I'm wondering how that would be so given the current car is only just able to accommodate the Coyote V8 between its towers?
So is there really any serious target that Alpha Camaro needs to undercut other than the 5G?
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From: Knoxville, TN
The irony is you guys think 'you're kind of the castle' because of one road test... a drag strip. Let's wait to see what some other road tests show up.
No, let's wait and see how the public vote with their wallets. Performance times might be in the Mustang's favor but I wonder if the car is as good when raced on an undulating surface?
Have you ever driven a VE or Camaro? Do you know what the ride/handling is like? I bet its handling capabilities far exceed your own driving abilities. And probably most others' on this forum.
No, let's wait and see how the public vote with their wallets. Performance times might be in the Mustang's favor but I wonder if the car is as good when raced on an undulating surface?
Have you ever driven a VE or Camaro? Do you know what the ride/handling is like? I bet its handling capabilities far exceed your own driving abilities. And probably most others' on this forum.
I'm sure everybody on this Forum realizes that you are blinded by your obedience to GM (it is a Camaro Forum, after all). Nothing will change that. We got it. It's all good.
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The handling capabilities of the Camaro, Mustang, and Challenger (along with many other cars) all FAR EXCEED the driving abilities of most people on this Forum. Mine included, and almost certainly yours to.
I'm sure everybody on this Forum realizes that you are blinded by your obedience to GM (it is a Camaro Forum, after all). Nothing will change that. We got it. It's all good.
I'm sure everybody on this Forum realizes that you are blinded by your obedience to GM (it is a Camaro Forum, after all). Nothing will change that. We got it. It's all good.
My condolences.
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Maybe its a cultural thing but I'm not the only person in the world that doesn't think much of cars with SRAs. For good reason too. Is that so much a crime? Now if the Mustang had an IRS (like a Falcon's) I'd be begging Ford to bring it downunder!
Sorry if my opinions annoy you so much... but they're just that.
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You know, I've never been able to acertain just how flexible a "flex line" is. But I don't think that you can just throw anything on it. For example, I don't think that you can build Camaros and Regals on the same line for example.
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This point is totally beyond argument. It alone makes for an expensive (relatively) Zeta Camaro. The whole point of using Zeta was to side-step this scenario. Oshawa could churn out the huge numbers of Zeta cousins that were supposed to happen and that would result in a scale of economy and a local supplier base that would amortise costs over a larger base thereby lowering the cost of making Camaros - all would be good. But, that's not what we have.
On this point alone, the logic of an Alpha Camaro seems pretty much bullet-proof and dare I say it , a no-brainer. I just hope (and I do have some reservations) in the chase to make Alpha "all that" the Camaro doesn't get swept into another price bracket - not that it's overly inexpensive now - the top end of the SS range is pretty darn close to 50 large here in Canada (without "market adjustments"). Hmmm, this is territory where the "garden variety" CTS plays.
On this point alone, the logic of an Alpha Camaro seems pretty much bullet-proof and dare I say it , a no-brainer. I just hope (and I do have some reservations) in the chase to make Alpha "all that" the Camaro doesn't get swept into another price bracket - not that it's overly inexpensive now - the top end of the SS range is pretty darn close to 50 large here in Canada (without "market adjustments"). Hmmm, this is territory where the "garden variety" CTS plays.
We can say that so far the base 5th gen hasn't really excelled in that regard. In fact, I've already seen two ads where dealers are advertising V6 Camaros with heavy discounts already.
I just see so many opportunities for an Alpha Camaro to capitalize on compared to the current car.
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Well if you were a true enthusiast (which you are) you'd be more concerned about piloting cars like the 5G and '11 Mustang around a circuit like SP WV and giving all of us the lowdown on the pros and cons of each vehicle... instead of taking issue with everything I say here!
Maybe its a cultural thing but I'm not the only person in the world that doesn't think much of cars with SRAs. For good reason too. Is that so much a crime? Now if the Mustang had an IRS (like a Falcon's) I'd be begging Ford to bring it downunder!
Sorry if my opinions annoy you so much... but they're just that.
Maybe its a cultural thing but I'm not the only person in the world that doesn't think much of cars with SRAs. For good reason too. Is that so much a crime? Now if the Mustang had an IRS (like a Falcon's) I'd be begging Ford to bring it downunder!
Sorry if my opinions annoy you so much... but they're just that.
And I do like to consider myself an enthusiast (whether someone else does or does not is irrelevant). I simply "get my rocks off" in a different mode of racing, and that happens to favor the SRA for a number of reasons. There seems to be a few people that share my POV too.
To each their own. But please don't stop providing the humorous input.
Thanks.
Bob