What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
I'd love to see RS return as a trim level.
Hey, if they're going to have some retro cues on this thing, I'm going to want to order a Z28/RS like pops had back in the day. Have the RS consist of 18"s, ground fx and a different spoiler.
Base
SS
Z28
SS/RS
Z28/RS
That'd give at least four wheel and hood options (Base, SS, Z28, and RS).
Hey, if they're going to have some retro cues on this thing, I'm going to want to order a Z28/RS like pops had back in the day. Have the RS consist of 18"s, ground fx and a different spoiler.
Base
SS
Z28
SS/RS
Z28/RS
That'd give at least four wheel and hood options (Base, SS, Z28, and RS).
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by Eric77TA
Anyone who says the 67-79 Z/28 had "Just" a 302, needs to read up on the 67-69 Z/28. The 302 was underrated at 290 horses. A stock 302 Z/28 vs. a stock SS350 (295 horse) is no contest. The Z/28 will win.
375 Horse 396 cars are fairly rare - less than 5,000 built in 1969, with some 8,000 or so 396 cars with the 325 and 350 horse 396s built. There were more than 20,000 Z/28s built in 1969. While I have no doubt that the 375 horse 396 will show its taillights to a Z on the drag strip, I think a Z vs. the 325 or 350 horse 396 would be closer than you'd think.
So, I think if you were to go back to the streets in 1969, when most SS Camaros running around were of the 350 variety, I think you'd find the Z/28 was, for the most part, the top dog. The SS models were fast, and are extremely cool, but they aren't the all around performance cars the Z/28s were. SS back then was very similar to what Chevy is doing with it today. The Z was something really special - more equivelant to what a Corvette Z06 is to a regular 'Vette.
SS350 package cost $295.00 at the beginning of the '69 model year. Z/28 package was $458, plus the cost of the mandatory heavy duty 4 speed, guage package and power front disc brakes (4 wheel discs recommended). So it was around $900 by the time you were finished ordering - a much more complete performance package.
375 Horse 396 cars are fairly rare - less than 5,000 built in 1969, with some 8,000 or so 396 cars with the 325 and 350 horse 396s built. There were more than 20,000 Z/28s built in 1969. While I have no doubt that the 375 horse 396 will show its taillights to a Z on the drag strip, I think a Z vs. the 325 or 350 horse 396 would be closer than you'd think.
So, I think if you were to go back to the streets in 1969, when most SS Camaros running around were of the 350 variety, I think you'd find the Z/28 was, for the most part, the top dog. The SS models were fast, and are extremely cool, but they aren't the all around performance cars the Z/28s were. SS back then was very similar to what Chevy is doing with it today. The Z was something really special - more equivelant to what a Corvette Z06 is to a regular 'Vette.
SS350 package cost $295.00 at the beginning of the '69 model year. Z/28 package was $458, plus the cost of the mandatory heavy duty 4 speed, guage package and power front disc brakes (4 wheel discs recommended). So it was around $900 by the time you were finished ordering - a much more complete performance package.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by DrewSG
Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.
I wonder if the electronic nanny is hobbling these cars that bad?
Naw, just need to get some better drivers
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
I want the base model to have the LS4 (5.3 V8, 303hp, same as they're using in the new GXP, Impala SS, and Monte Carlo SS). It weighs less than the supercharged 3800, makes more power, makes more torque, and is cheaper to build. It gets better highway gas mileage than the N/A 3800, and still gets decent city mileage.
I want the Z28 and SS to have the same engine, and I want both to be available with an auto or a manual. There are performance enthusiasts in both camps as far as transmissions go, and I see no reason to exclude them. I think the LS2 is a great choice for that engine.
I want the SS to be readily identifiable from a distance, as it is with 4th-gen cars. Hood scoops, stripes, wheels, badging, spoiler and exhaust tips should make it obvious.
I want the Z28 to have a better-flowing, better-sounding exhaust and a firmer suspension.
SS should come with almost all options. Base and Z28 come with almost no options by default, but both can be loaded up to match the SS (except the trademark visual items I mentioned above).
And if, by some random chance, a ZL1 emerges, it should run a 12.001 in the quarter. No roll cage needed!
-Jake
I want the Z28 and SS to have the same engine, and I want both to be available with an auto or a manual. There are performance enthusiasts in both camps as far as transmissions go, and I see no reason to exclude them. I think the LS2 is a great choice for that engine.
I want the SS to be readily identifiable from a distance, as it is with 4th-gen cars. Hood scoops, stripes, wheels, badging, spoiler and exhaust tips should make it obvious.
I want the Z28 to have a better-flowing, better-sounding exhaust and a firmer suspension.
SS should come with almost all options. Base and Z28 come with almost no options by default, but both can be loaded up to match the SS (except the trademark visual items I mentioned above).
And if, by some random chance, a ZL1 emerges, it should run a 12.001 in the quarter. No roll cage needed!
-Jake
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by JakeRobb
And if, by some random chance, a ZL1 emerges, it should run a 12.001 in the quarter. No roll cage needed!
-Jake
-Jake
If the car runs a 11.99 or faster from the factory, it is considered to have the safety for that speed designed into it, and does not require a cage unless extensive modification is done to it, under the new NHRA rules for this that came into effect a few months ago.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by 67Beast
Never said the 67-69 Z/28 had just a 302. I know they were underrated and could make serious power with a crossram and cam. You mod the 350 right or the 396 and again you could make serious power as well. So no an SS with any less than a 5.7 liter V8 is wrong for many reasons.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Well I really don't care if it's Z28 or SS over each other. What I care about is the engine lineup.
V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)
The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)
V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)
The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
Well I really don't care if it's Z28 or SS over each other. What I care about is the engine lineup.
V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)
The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)
V6 - LS
Luxury V6 (Optional higher hp V6 - LT
5.3V8 (SS or Z28)
6.0V8 (SS or Z28)
The standard fare which is going to be the Cheaper V8 I still think should be the 5.3L. The 5.3L has enough capability to hit probabably 325+hp which is enough to lay the smack down on a GT mustang without going TOO FAR. Then have the higher HP model to brutally kill the Mustang and potenially run with some special models or whatever... (Enter 6.0L)
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
[QUOTE=95redLT1]Sounds like a strong hint to me 
[/QUOTE
"Ummmm do you have any LT camaros that I could look at because these LS ones aren't as cool"
" Hey guys check out my Camaro LT! "
"Oh is this a Z/28? No! it's a LT, are you stupid?"
This sounded like a good idea to someone????
TONY
[/QUOTE"Ummmm do you have any LT camaros that I could look at because these LS ones aren't as cool"
" Hey guys check out my Camaro LT! "
"Oh is this a Z/28? No! it's a LT, are you stupid?"
This sounded like a good idea to someone????
TONY
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by orbitalshock2k
Why would you want a 300HP something FWD engine when a 400 RWD is avaliable?
the 5.3L is not soley FWD or did you forget? Trucks have the RWD version.
Nonetheless---I cannot afford a 400hp V8 Camaro. Wouldn't want to drive that in the winter either. But 300-330hp 5.3L would suit me just fine.(cheaper insurance and gas as well RS trim though! Or even a 4.8L
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by bossco
Sad, sad, sad, they shouldn't be in there driving those cars. I can knock down low 14s to 14 flat with my 02 GT and thats carrying 300 lbs of my fat **** and a 1/4 tank of gas and I know I aint got no factory freak, not the way my car was screwed together.
I wonder if the electronic nanny is hobbling these cars that bad?
Naw, just need to get some better drivers
I wonder if the electronic nanny is hobbling these cars that bad?
Naw, just need to get some better drivers
The 2003 GT's actually feal similar to the 05 GT in reference to speed.
its still a 4.6
