What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by guionM
No, not at at all.
Actually, it is probally about 300 RWHP. The car weighs 3500 pounds, yet accelerates to 60 as quickly as an LS1 despite having an actual 40 HP disadvantage.
Part of it is aggressive ratios, but that engine is significantly underrated as well.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Actually, it is probally about 300 RWHP. The car weighs 3500 pounds, yet accelerates to 60 as quickly as an LS1 despite having an actual 40 HP disadvantage.
Part of it is aggressive ratios, but that engine is significantly underrated as well.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.
Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.
Anywho.
I'd hope they do a setup similar to the third gens.
RS/LT whatever: V6/V8 303 HP.. I think that would go well as a direct competitor to the GT.
SS/Z28 as the high performance Camaro
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by DrewSG
Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.
Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.
Anywho.
I'd hope they do a setup similar to the third gens.
RS/LT whatever: V6/V8 303 HP.. I think that would go well as a direct competitor to the GT.
SS/Z28 as the high performance Camaro
Stock for stock, they're still pretty damn slow. I still haven't seen a Mustang break out of the 14s yet at my track, and they're running times similar to my old 89 L98 IROC-Z.
Anywho.
I'd hope they do a setup similar to the third gens.
RS/LT whatever: V6/V8 303 HP.. I think that would go well as a direct competitor to the GT.
SS/Z28 as the high performance Camaro
same thing here, people keep INSISTING otherwise. I go to the track and they sit in the low 14's or high 13's stock, With good weather and drivers i know personally who are kick-as5 with a M5.
Off the line, i have never had one pass me in the 1993', in the vette ive only ran one, it was a laughable experiance.
Yet people keep inisiting (only on here of all places) these are low 13 second cars.
I drove my friends when he got it, it was alot stronger then any mustang (stock) ive ever drove, but NO it didnt feal as strong as my LT1 or LS1, maybe its chassis no clue.
Ive seen one on the dyno, and NO it didnt lay down 300RWHP... It was like 271 i think he had a cut-out and minor exhaust junk, No real HP gainers.
Show some slips or quit poluting post's with assumptions.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
I like the idea of LS/LT.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
I like the idea of LS/LT.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
Its easier to mass produce the Ls2 (or whatever it will be at the Camaros Re-introduction) then make a bunch of spiced up 5.3's souly for the Camaro. So GM will take the cash concious route and put the base Vette' motor in the Base V8 camaros.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
I like the idea of LS/LT.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
That sounds good a introduction:
LS - 3.6L
LT - 3.6L Loaded (Optional 3.9L)
SS - 5.3L
18 Months later
Z28 - 6.0L Mildly Optioned (1LE Option Please)
Only thing I don't like about this setup is that the 02 SS would come damn close to laying the smackdown on a 0x' SS w/ the 5.3.
But LS---? Sounds good on an Impala or Buick. No performance nomenclature there.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
I really don't like the sound of LS or LT. Those are family car designations in my mind. Did you ever see an 80's Camaro Type LT? They sucked. Just like the Berlinetta. Camaros seem silly when you try to mix them with luxury. Just my opinion.
And for the record, all the 05GT slips I've seen are ~265-275 as well.
And for the record, all the 05GT slips I've seen are ~265-275 as well.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by Ray86IROC
Where does the idea of the SS being the midrange camaro and the Z28 being the top dog come from? When did the Z28 ever have a hotter engine than the top SS models? Is it due to the SS originally having several engine setups available, some of which were weaker than the Z28's 302?? That's kinda minor to me as even in 67 the 375hp 396 was available in the SS which would eat the 302 Z28's lunch on the dragstrip.
I could maybe see the Z28 being the real corner carver since that's what it was originally but I would think the great handling Z28 coupled w/ the 5.3 being a more likely setup and harken more to the original, why would it get a 6.0 LS2 while the SS gets strapped w/ something like the 5.3? That just seems backwards...
W/ GMs recent treatment of the SS being the top model across the board I just don't see it being much different then it was before. I'm kinda figuring the SS will continue to be a 10-20 hp extra, mainly appearance package over the Z28 if they have both models at all...
I could maybe see the Z28 being the real corner carver since that's what it was originally but I would think the great handling Z28 coupled w/ the 5.3 being a more likely setup and harken more to the original, why would it get a 6.0 LS2 while the SS gets strapped w/ something like the 5.3? That just seems backwards...
W/ GMs recent treatment of the SS being the top model across the board I just don't see it being much different then it was before. I'm kinda figuring the SS will continue to be a 10-20 hp extra, mainly appearance package over the Z28 if they have both models at all...
I don't understand this either.
67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302
The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by 67Beast
I don't understand this either.
67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302
The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.
67-69 SS had either a 350 or 396
67-69 Z/28 had a 302
The SS with a 5.3 liter, don't think so. Maybe a base V8 Camaro, RS, and/or Z/28 trims. The SS must have at least an LS2 and if as mentioned earlier an LS7 as well.
GM is gonna ship all V8 models with base Vette engines, lets not fool ourselfs into thinking GM is gonna go the pricey route and make a spicey 5.3 just for the camaro line. Yes i realize the new Monte SS w/ V8 puts out decent numbers, but not numbers worthy of a 2008 sports car.
I honestly expect to see a Z/28 with base LS2 (or w/e is in the base vette atm, maybe a Gen behind) slightly detuned or governed because of SAE ratings. LS2 (or variant of) for the SS with exhaust -- Same stuff they did with the F4 to pull out a few ponys. then base V6 | RS etc.
I hope this ISNT the case, but GM will do what will push these cars out at the lowiest price, and standardized motors is where thats at. Why make a new motor, when you have LSx in piles. Just wont be happening.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by DrewSG
Please show me a Mustang putting down 300rwhp stock, thanks. I've only seen 05 Mustangs put down ~265rwhp stock. Just this past friday night I beat a 05 GT that had exhaust work, he initially took me off the line, but I eventually had around 2 cars on him by 100.
dyno link
dyno_link2
256.7rwhp/279.9rwtq baseline, 282.2rwhp/301.5rwtq w/intake and tune.
It takes intake, tune, and exhaust to break the 300 mark in a GT. It's a much stronger car than previous years but let's not get carried away.
Link to dyno food-chain:
stock_dyno_comps
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by danno02SS
Can't let this one slide either, stock 05 GTs are NOT putting down 300rwhp.
dyno link
dyno_link2
256.7rwhp/279.9rwtq baseline, 282.2rwhp/301.5rwtq w/intake and tune.
It takes intake, tune, and exhaust to break the 300 mark in a GT. It's a much stronger car than previous years but let's not get carried away.
Link to dyno food-chain:
stock_dyno_comps
dyno link
dyno_link2
256.7rwhp/279.9rwtq baseline, 282.2rwhp/301.5rwtq w/intake and tune.
It takes intake, tune, and exhaust to break the 300 mark in a GT. It's a much stronger car than previous years but let's not get carried away.
Link to dyno food-chain:
stock_dyno_comps
Funny how the 02 SS is putting down over 50 more HP then the 05 stang.
the Z28 wouldnt be far behind with a 40+ HP advantage.
Nothing to be ashamed of, being 4 years behind the competition in raw power.
Yep the Camaros dead for the moment, but the legacy lives on.
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Re: What camaro Model's do you want back in 08'
Originally Posted by guionM
I'd expect a base V6 and a fancy V6 (RS), and the SS with maybe a Z28 afterwards. I can live with that, as long as the V6 is hella quick.