i wouldn't say it's stretching to think we might get the LS7. by the time the Camaro is released, who knows whats gonna be sittin between the fenders of other GM models.

 

I don't believe we should get the LS7, 427...the Vette got it's Heritage displacement. I believe a 396 variant redesigned for the mystery "C" car, would not only be a brilliant marketing ploy, but trend for the modern GM muscle cars.
Just De-Stroke it, instead of a 4.00" stroke, drop it to 3.75" and or slightly reduce bore diameter from 4.125" to 4.100" or close.\

It would be simple, and for a Top Dog Camaro, at top of price listing, I think it's doable..

(There's a good write up on the LS7 in the Aug 2005 issue of CHP, Chevy High Performance, my fav rag..)

 

i agree the Vette got it's Heritage displacement...

but on that same thought process....

the Z/28 should come with a 302...

and the SS should either have a really warmed over small block or a high output big block...

doesn't sound like something GM will be doing anytime soon.

 

I really don't think so. I'm looking for the spirit of the original Z/28....

Not a car bound by the letter of the SCCA TransAm rulebook from 1966-1969.

 

It's more than a stretch. Nobody is going to buy a $50,000 Camaro.

 

thats what i was saying.

my point is, ok...the Vette got it's heritage displacement, that's great. but just because it didn't doesn't mean the 5th gen would be better off if it did the same thing.

you sure about that...look how much the limited runs in the last years of the 4th gen were selling for...Berger?...ZL1? i'm not saying they have to be numbers cars, but it would be nice to see an LS7 go into a limited run...something along the lines of the 4th gen SS(but with a name change )

 

302, thats a Ford thing (289, 302, 351, 390, 427, 428, 429, 460)

Chevy's magic numbers are 283, 327, 350, 396, 427, 454, 502. Besides I think the 70+ LT1 was a more definitive motor and that was a 350. Then again I'm more partial to early 2nd gen f-bodies than anything else in the cars' history.

 

The V model Caddys deserve and at least the CTS-V will get the LS7. They are in direct competition with BMW M cars and the new M5 is 500hp and the new M3 is 400.

 

This is what some people on here don't understand. They have HP on the brain and that is all.

500HP LS7:
- Expensive Engine in itself = $$$$$$$$$$
- Transmission has to be able to handle the power = $$$
- Better Engine cooling = $$$
- Stronger Drivetrain/Rear Axle (especially if IRS) - $$$$$$$$$$
- Not going to sell many (due to cost which drives cost up more) = $$$


If you want to have a special edition camaro with a limited run then fine, i'll buy the LS7 or the Blown LS2. But for the standard lineup anything more then a NA 6.2L would be vehicular suicide, LOL.

V6
5.3
6.2

And I'd put money on it!

 

302 DZ motor was ,69 High Output smallblock Chevy used in the Trans Am races. Still highly sought after today. Capable of over 400HP....then.
1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 / 302 / 4 spd / 4.10 290@5800 290@4200 7.4 15.1@95mph R&T 12/91

It's interesting that the LS7 went back to a more traditional port design, and made lots more HP.
Destroking and using lower cost parts with slightly lower redline, like Stainless valves instead of Titanium...see, affordable variant. Like how the IROC's received the cast iron heads when the Vettes got the Aluminum D-ports.(L98's)
It can be done, if they have the will, there's a way...not that I'll hold my breath.
6.5L..

 

Yeah I know DZ/EZ 5 liter motors were used in trans-am, I assume mandated after Ford beat the snot out of Ferrarri with a 7 liter in international racing. However in the current day, 302's or 5 liters or whatever you want to use to describe them are associated more with Ford where as 5.7/350 is very much a GM signature engine/displacement.

As for whatever magic this engine possessed (since the engine used GM's 461/462/492 head casting which was essentially its production performance cylinder head casting from the 60's and into the 70's) makes it nothing more than a smaller cousin to the LT-1 which was rated at 370hp in solid lifter form in the vette (using a slightly smaller cam than the DZ/EZ motors) and only slightly less in the camaro (methinks 360, but I can't remember) versus its claimed 290hp for the 302.

 

theres always a winner and a loser in a horsepower war.

Camaro won in the 60s/70s with the 396 and the cross ram 302. (obviously excluding the hemi cuda) Mustang has been winning for a while now with the S/C cobra... id say its time the tables are turned

 

Not necessarily HP, just class leading performance (Corvette not in same class so don't go there )

How much more expensive is it? Is it more expensinve than putting a supercharger on a 6.0 or 6.2? How much hp/tq will the F5's transmissions take right out of the box? What capacity and performance will the cooling system have, will it need to be upgraded at all? What rear end will they use? Are they developing a drivetrain for todays power outputs, or are they designing it for the engines that the car will actually be using? Of course it won't be the volume seller, it's the halo car. What % of sales do the Z06 and Cobra get in their respective cars? And lastly, how much did the '98's price go up when they picked up 60-70hp with the LS1? How much did GM have to beef up the cooling system, transmission, rear end (haha), and fuel system? How much cost did it add to the car? The SSR too, it just got an extra 80hp, how much more does the '05 cost over the '04?

I'm not saying there will be NO cost in a T.D.C., but where are these $20,000 numbers coming from? Hell the vette didn't even go up that much, and it's got an aluminum frame! Ford brings their car in at high 30's...supercharged. $50,000? Please....

RIGHT ON! And remember, the rumored 6.2 just MIGHT be able to beat the Shelby, so all of this LS7, s/c LS2 talk is PURELY speculation.

 

unfourtanatly its all about volume. give them something most people want. what will they sell the most of. thats why theres no rc silvarado ss and the vortec max and 5.3 ho are only availible in ext cabs also. hell they will probally write off the cobra as a limited prodiction car that they dont need to compete with. i dont like, but this is what i think will happen.

3.8 v6
base and an rs model

6.0 ls2
z28 and ss

and thats it. thats what i think. i hope im wrong but i dont think i will be.

 

i got a funny feeling we might be seeing the blown 6.2 in the top dog...

they have one in a Caddy right now and it's puttin out 505hp(which an insider has hinted we could see in the 5th gen), we may not get the Vettes motor(and GAWD i hope i'm wrong) but we may get it's hp.