Give us break! You've already said you won't be buying the LSA Camaro, nor the Camaro SS because its too heavy. That's your choice. However there are far more of us who are buying the Camaro SS and some will also by the LSA Camaro no matter what it weighs. Just because you "think" it won't be fun to drive (and as the Camaro Z/28 hasn't been built you can't say if it is or isn't you can only speculate) doesn't mean that those of us who will be buying feel the same way.

The ship has sailed. You aren't happy with the Zeta Camaro. We get that as you been telling us you aren't happy with it since the day we learned it would be on Zeta. Go ahead and wait for the Alpha Camaro if you want. Let the rest of us have the Camaro we want and will have fun driving now if we want it.

 

I'm sorry, I had forgotten that you're an engineer. Tell us what will fix the steering and chassis dynamics.

 

What's your problem Jeff? Go buy one, who's stopping you? Have fun with it. I hope they sell a million.

 

No, YOU tell us....

 

I don't think anybody is preventing anybody else from buying or not buying whatever they do or do not want.

FTR....I don't care what they call it....it likely won't be my cup o tea - though I can see where many folks with dollars in hand will shell them out for it (one only has to look at the GT500 for evidence).

 

I'm sure every single one will sell regardless of cost or name. Probably even with a hefty dealer mark up. But if I were marketing the Camaro, I'd want to capture EVERYONE'S money. It's obvious that a certain consumer/enthusiast segment is saving it's money for something different. Ford, once again, showing leadership in this segment, has every intention of capturing as many of those enthusiast dollars as possible. Next year's Track Pack will be even better - stickier rubber, Brembos, and the 5.0L. A Boss is coming in '12 and Shelby is working on a GT350. I expect both the Boss and GT350 will cost more than afew bucks, and Ford will sell them out quickly.

So there you go. The '12 Z/28 will be Chevy's response to the '07 GT500. If they benchmark the '12 Boss, maybe a bunch of us will get our real Z/28 around 2017.

 

My guess is so that you don't get the same thing as they had w/the older Cobra's....everyone w/a V-6 or GT tried to make a replica.....& they weren't as unique anymore....

 

I may have missed some posts, but I've been following the thread since it started. So what? That doesn't answer my question, and neither did you.
I think it's going to be fun to drive. I don't actually care what they call it. I would have preferred the top model to be the SS, so I could use my former vanity plate, but it really doesn't matter. And I think anything mid to low $40Ks will be reasonable.

 

I have no doubt you'll love it.

 

Low-mid 40's seems rather optimistic....especially if it is still 2 years away. But I claim no inside knowledge, so who knows.

 

I can see mid to high 40's for the following reasons...

Honestly, 48k wouldn't shock me.

 

So does this mean you'll stop ranting now?

(......and I'm sorry you weren't chosen.............)

As to your "I hope they sell a million" - ......I'd really like to believe that as you and I have sat and talked on several occasions......but somehow, I just can't imagine that you do hope the car will be a success......sorry, but I really believe you are disappointed that some people believe this is the best Camaro ever........

It became abundantly clear long ago that you do not like the Zeta-based Camaro.

Your emails to everyone at GM make that very clear. However, we must look at everyones' opinions..........and then make the hard decisions.

Is it crucial that you try to convince everyone that they're wrong? Reading your posts for the past year leads me to believe that you will not rest until you convince everyone that this car is a failure.

Unfortunately for you, America and Canada at large disagree with your assessment.

Interestingly, YOU were the one that hated the 4th gen Camaro. As I recall you called it an "embarassment" on several occasions..... yet it outhandled cars costing three times as much.........seems it did what you're asking the new car to do...........

I'd like to say that I'm sorry we missed your 'mark' on what a Camaro should be.......but reading thru any number of Camaro sites - and talking to the public at large (which I do...) tells me that your opinions are in the minority.

I really wish you'd look at the larger picture....because you see, we DO have to look at that picture.

 

I can answer that one for you, Fbodfather.

There isn't another person who has hijacked every thread with his own personal agendas as Z284ever, not even Buickman.

I still remember all of Z284ever's gripes of the past... arguing the Camaro SS should have been a 2.0L turbo from the outset, presumably to comply with his personal maximum weight mandates for the car.

Although I offered some constructive input in this thread, Z284ever still hasn't answered the question of why he is unwilling to buy a V6 Camaro, which weighs in at a not unreasonable 3700lbs (100lbs below his personal 3600 lb target), and why he is unwilling to invest in minor suspension changes to make the Camaro the fun car he believes it ought to be? Camber, caster, toe, ride height, dampers and springs... the possibilities are endless to improve steering, ride and handling.

Come to think of it, Z284ever still hasn't bought a Mustang like he said he was going to. Unlike Camaro, the Mustang meets his weight targets 3600lb. So what's stopping you, Z284ever? Given you say you have the $$$ to spend, I can't think of any reason why you don't already have the pony car of your dreams.

 

ugh...its not funny, its so true

And with the game Ford has going right now, hows there 2017 competitor going to perform

 

Well, hello there Scott.

First alittle houskeeping.

-Zeta: Undoubtedy I didn't want Camaro to ride on it, but it did, so here we are.

-4th gen: As we all know, it had it's shortcomings. But at the end of the day, it was ------*FUN TO DRIVE*.

-Sales: Of course I'm glad sales are brisk. But it's probably not unreasonable to say that more Camaros were sold from June through today than will be sold tomorrow through next June. IOW, sales will naturally slow, so this is no time to rest on your laurels, the competition sure isn't.

Okay Scott let me ask you acouple of questions while I have your attention.

Why does the G8's steering feel great, and the Camaro's steering feels artificial and sometimes completely numb. And why does the Mustang's steering feel better than both of them? Can you fix that?

Why does the G8 drive like it's lighter than it actually is, and the Camaro drives like it's heavier than it actually is? Can you fix that?

And if people like me weren't "ranting" about it would anyone even try to fix that?


You've got a good car there. If you could fix a handful of things, you might have a GREAT car. Isn't that what we all want?

Anyways Scotty, I owe you a drink next time I see you, we'll hash it out then.

BTW, never imply I don't want the Camaro to succeed. On CamaroZ28.com, that is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Talk to you soon...