NEWS: GM Reportedly Calls "Game On" For Supercharged 550HP Camaro Z/28
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Agreed. I tried to get a number about 15 pages back of how many people who don't like the current set up would buy one if their major hang up was fixed, and only 1 guy came forward and said he would. A few others complained about my choice of words in the question, which kind of makes me think that some people just like to complain 
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They may not like the fact that it's not the optimal set up for their interests, and I think thats mostly in the name. The hard core traditionalists view the Z28 as it was in the first gen, but this Z28 is a modern day SS396, no other way to look at it (and about as far from the original Z28 formula as you can get.)
What I don't think that they're really processing the fact that there are a lot of folks out there w/ cash in hand that would love the oportunity to buy a factory supercharged Camaro (the only time its ever happened, and also it's HIGHLY likely to be the most powerful Camaro that has ever been, or ever will be built). It doesn't have to be a volume mover, it just has to pay for itself and make GM a little PROFIT.
I'm of the opinion now that GM should offer the following...
V6 and SS stay the same
Z28 as an SS w/ a "track pack" or "Z51" or whatever you want to call a suspension/gearing/tire package
ZL1 as what the Z28 is planned to be.
. They may not like the fact that it's not the optimal set up for their interests, and I think thats mostly in the name. The hard core traditionalists view the Z28 as it was in the first gen, but this Z28 is a modern day SS396, no other way to look at it (and about as far from the original Z28 formula as you can get.)
What I don't think that they're really processing the fact that there are a lot of folks out there w/ cash in hand that would love the oportunity to buy a factory supercharged Camaro (the only time its ever happened, and also it's HIGHLY likely to be the most powerful Camaro that has ever been, or ever will be built). It doesn't have to be a volume mover, it just has to pay for itself and make GM a little PROFIT.
I'm of the opinion now that GM should offer the following...
V6 and SS stay the same
Z28 as an SS w/ a "track pack" or "Z51" or whatever you want to call a suspension/gearing/tire package
ZL1 as what the Z28 is planned to be.
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Only problem is only a few people have ever heard of a ZL1 outside this forum, Chevrolet is trying to mass market this car, everyone has heard of a Z28. I hear you on the bitching going on in this thread, a lot of people on here seem to want a Corvette but won't admit it.
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Had that been the case, the SS would have been the "only" performance Camaro (aside from the L30/M20) and we wouldn't be arguing today.
As previously mentioned there is no "brand recognition" outside of the enthusiast world that knows ZL1, furthermore as previously stated, it was never a model designation for Camaro.
I much rather like, and could live with "SS Supercharged" than ZL1 for the LSA Camaro. However, I have no issues with and would rather see it called "Z28".
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Couldn't agree more, and while true, we need to keep in mind that had Trans AM not required a 5.0L maximum displacement for the production model the cars were based on, the Z/28 may have never existed. Don't forget in 1970 the Z/28 grew to 5.7L after the rules were changed.
Had that been the case, the SS would have been the "only" performance Camaro (aside from the L30/M20) and we wouldn't be arguing today.
Had that been the case, the SS would have been the "only" performance Camaro (aside from the L30/M20) and we wouldn't be arguing today.
Vince Piggins created the Z/28 in order to establish a powerful performance image for the new kid on the block Camaro, countering the one Mustang already had.
He must've been pretty successful at it too, because here we are 43 years later in a 20 page thread.
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Not entirely true, I'm pretty much a Mustang guy and I've known about the ZL1 for years. I'd say ZL1 is just about as infamous as the L88 vettes, speaking of which, how many people knew what a ZR1(or know about the ZR2 vettes) was before its second introduction in the 90's? Or the Z06? I'd argue that outside of vette circles, those names were largely unheard of. GM could call the S/C F5 the ESADW 9000 and it wouldn't hurt a thing.
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What I don't think that they're really processing the fact that there are a lot of folks out there w/ cash in hand that would love the oportunity to buy a factory supercharged Camaro...
While I respect the racers on here, I don't want a stripper car. And GM knows there are a lot more customers like me than there are racers out there. Bring on the loaded supercharged Camaro! With MP3 connector and super audio set-up. And power leather seats. And, yes, a convertible model too! Weight shmeight.
Only please give me a modern display and dash.
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Yep, that's me. Let's have it before the wife thinks of something else to spend the money on.
While I respect the racers on here, I don't want a stripper car. And GM knows there are a lot more customers like me than there are racers out there. Bring on the loaded supercharged Camaro! With MP3 connector and super audio set-up. And power leather seats. And, yes, a convertible model too! Weight shmeight.
Only please give me a modern display and dash.
While I respect the racers on here, I don't want a stripper car. And GM knows there are a lot more customers like me than there are racers out there. Bring on the loaded supercharged Camaro! With MP3 connector and super audio set-up. And power leather seats. And, yes, a convertible model too! Weight shmeight.
Only please give me a modern display and dash.
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Quite frankly, there are more buyers out there with the means to purchase a fully loaded to the hilt supercharged Camaro. Those buyers far exceed the numbers crying that such a car shouldn't be called Z/28 because its not a naturally aspirated stripper racecar. GM isn't going to ignore us.
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You're suggesting that the LSA Camaro wouldn't be fun to drive. For folks like dacook and myself it would be extremely fun to drive. And if you're suggesting that our numbers don't out number the buyers would want a lightweight stripper Camaro, then you're the one that's confused.
Quite frankly, there are more buyers out there with the means to purchase a fully loaded to the hilt supercharged Camaro. Those buyers far exceed the numbers crying that such a car shouldn't be called Z/28 because its not a naturally aspirated stripper racecar. GM isn't going to ignore us.
Quite frankly, there are more buyers out there with the means to purchase a fully loaded to the hilt supercharged Camaro. Those buyers far exceed the numbers crying that such a car shouldn't be called Z/28 because its not a naturally aspirated stripper racecar. GM isn't going to ignore us.
And please stop with "stripper" comments already. Deleting PDL isn't going to fix the steering or chassis dynamics.