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Originally posted by MauriSSio
oh yeah whoever said stock C5's are doin .97-1.02 is smoking madd butt crack,i looked it up and Motor Trend pulled .92 while better than the F-Body,i wouldnt say its a whole world ahead.
oh yeah whoever said stock C5's are doin .97-1.02 is smoking madd butt crack,i looked it up and Motor Trend pulled .92 while better than the F-Body,i wouldnt say its a whole world ahead.
And I know for a fact that there are some road tet on a stock c5 reflcting a .98 . or somewhere close , give or take a few tenths . Just like 1/4 mile times there are variables . Just because you found something different doesnt men they are smoking crack .
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Originally posted by robb4964
OK , whatever you say pal . I seen a road teston a Z06 that was pulling a 1.02
And I know for a fact that there are some road tet on a stock c5 reflcting a .98 . or somewhere close , give or take a few tenths . Just like 1/4 mile times there are variables . Just because you found something different doesnt men they are smoking crack .
OK , whatever you say pal . I seen a road teston a Z06 that was pulling a 1.02
And I know for a fact that there are some road tet on a stock c5 reflcting a .98 . or somewhere close , give or take a few tenths . Just like 1/4 mile times there are variables . Just because you found something different doesnt men they are smoking crack .
Compare that to the Camaro SS then. The numbers are not far off.
The C5 is a better handling car. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Also, skidpad ratings are not everything. Shock rebound, spring rate, center of gravity, weight, TIRES.... all go into the equation.
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Originally posted by stereomandan
O.k. Cheap shot. The Z06 is a highly modded C5.
Compare that to the Camaro SS then. The numbers are not far off..
The C5 is a better handling car. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Also, skidpad ratings are not everything. Shock rebound, spring rate, center of gravity, weight, TIRES.... all go into the equation.
Dan
O.k. Cheap shot. The Z06 is a highly modded C5.
Compare that to the Camaro SS then. The numbers are not far off..
The C5 is a better handling car. I don't think anyone is arguing that. Also, skidpad ratings are not everything. Shock rebound, spring rate, center of gravity, weight, TIRES.... all go into the equation.
Dan
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Originally posted by Killaz
well, the man was talkin **** about a race, i whooped his a$$. He wants to go again at the track for some cash tonight. I will be more than happy to take his money.
Enough said
holla if ya here me
well, the man was talkin **** about a race, i whooped his a$$. He wants to go again at the track for some cash tonight. I will be more than happy to take his money.
Enough said
holla if ya here me
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Originally posted by stereomandan
That's funny, because both of those cars are in slower stock classes than the F-body in SCCA Solo II.
Dan
That's funny, because both of those cars are in slower stock classes than the F-body in SCCA Solo II.
Dan
I'm not saying an fbody can't BEAT an Si or an eclipse.... I'm saying an fbody doesn't handle as well as these cars. A z28 or TA can pull mid-low .80's on a skidpad--- which is lower than an eclipse gt-s, an mr-2, a celica, an Si, an S2000, etc. etc. etc.
There's no arguing an fbody wouldn't dust these guys in a race----assuming there are plenty of straightaways. I take tons of pride in my car, but I have no problem admitting it's not exactly a world class performer in the turns... not in stock trim. hell, I've been outcornered by a 3500 series Diesel duallie truck before. I've driven an eclipse, I've driven an SI, and an s2000... they corner much better than my car did when it was stock.
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Originally posted by Robbie
Hehe i wish someone would post that video of a guy on a road course with lightly modded supspension and engine mods eating up m3's, C5's, and on the *** of a viper. I think of that video everytime someone says an Fbody cant handle well even with supspension upgrades
I believe it was at road Atlanta.
Hehe i wish someone would post that video of a guy on a road course with lightly modded supspension and engine mods eating up m3's, C5's, and on the *** of a viper. I think of that video everytime someone says an Fbody cant handle well even with supspension upgrades
I believe it was at road Atlanta.
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Originally posted by BirchMan98z
No one pays attention... quit bench racing guys.
I'm not saying an fbody can't BEAT an Si or an eclipse.... I'm saying an fbody doesn't handle as well as these cars. A z28 or TA can pull mid-low .80's on a skidpad--- which is lower than an eclipse gt-s, an mr-2, a celica, an Si, an S2000, etc. etc. etc.
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No one pays attention... quit bench racing guys.
I'm not saying an fbody can't BEAT an Si or an eclipse.... I'm saying an fbody doesn't handle as well as these cars. A z28 or TA can pull mid-low .80's on a skidpad--- which is lower than an eclipse gt-s, an mr-2, a celica, an Si, an S2000, etc. etc. etc.
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I also have driven many ecplipse's and and civics and Ill tell you civics handle like ShEot . My friend had one with suspension work and big tires and it did not handle nothing like my car , Emergency handling didnt exist . the thing even had bad understeer . I dont care what you say, there is no way . A 92 eclipse I drove was a hell of a good hadling car . Better then a 98 DSM , wich BTW wont outhandle a V8 f-bod "unless its the AWD " The 92 w/16's would have . A civic , No way in hell ! And as far as you getting outhandled bye a truck... LMAO , sorry bout your luck . Either you got some really crappy tires, cant drive to save your life , or there is something wrong with your f-bod . Your talking about a vehicle the gets a .65 on a skidpad . ANd your also saying a car that gets a .82 handles better then an F-BOD ? thats like saying that they get a .79 or lower . A coutour or ford taurus gets better skidpad ratings then that. A police interceptor Crown gets a .81 . Does a f-bod handle like a crown ? . The only cars I have driven that handles way way better then a f-bod was a 300ZX TT , and a corvette . and that 300 felt like a rolling glue ball .
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Originally posted by robb4964
And as far as you getting outhandled bye a truck... LMAO , sorry bout your luck . Either you got some really crappy tires, cant drive to save your life , or there is something wrong with your f-bod . Your talking about a vehicle the gets a .65 on a skidpad . ANd your also saying a car that gets a .82 handles better then an F-BOD ? thats like saying that they get a .79 or lower . A coutour or ford taurus gets better skidpad ratings then that. A police interceptor Crown gets a .81 . Does a f-bod handle like a crown ? . The only cars I have driven that handles way way better then a f-bod was a 300ZX TT , and a corvette . and that 300 felt like a rolling glue ball .
And as far as you getting outhandled bye a truck... LMAO , sorry bout your luck . Either you got some really crappy tires, cant drive to save your life , or there is something wrong with your f-bod . Your talking about a vehicle the gets a .65 on a skidpad . ANd your also saying a car that gets a .82 handles better then an F-BOD ? thats like saying that they get a .79 or lower . A coutour or ford taurus gets better skidpad ratings then that. A police interceptor Crown gets a .81 . Does a f-bod handle like a crown ? . The only cars I have driven that handles way way better then a f-bod was a 300ZX TT , and a corvette . and that 300 felt like a rolling glue ball .
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well i guess theres bad drivers out there lol gettin out cornered by a dually ive heard it all.Cmon,have more confidence in your car! im definately not sayin F-Bodies are king of the road (there LOTS of things i dont like about em, for example why are they so big on the outside yet can only sit two adults and 2 small *** kids comfortably......if they can even get in) but anyways parformance wise theres no denying that a USED F-Body is a hell of a deal (i wouldnt pay for what these things were going for new) on the road course or 1/4 mile track.
i have yet to see an f-body pull mid-low .8 skidpad numbers id like to see links to your sources on that (most pull cloer to .9) ,Same with the CRX that can beat a Z06 while i believe it CAN be done,i remember reading an article in Car and Driver on a bunch of heavily modded import Tuner cars (type-r,a Couple of S2000's among others) and on the last test they decided to see what a stock Z06 can do and it ended up spanking all the cars there,so that CRX your talkin about must be crazy.
i have yet to see an f-body pull mid-low .8 skidpad numbers id like to see links to your sources on that (most pull cloer to .9) ,Same with the CRX that can beat a Z06 while i believe it CAN be done,i remember reading an article in Car and Driver on a bunch of heavily modded import Tuner cars (type-r,a Couple of S2000's among others) and on the last test they decided to see what a stock Z06 can do and it ended up spanking all the cars there,so that CRX your talkin about must be crazy.
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Originally posted by BirchMan98z
No one pays attention... quit bench racing guys.
I'm not saying an fbody can't BEAT an Si or an eclipse.... I'm saying an fbody doesn't handle as well as these cars. A z28 or TA can pull mid-low .80's on a skidpad--- which is lower than an eclipse gt-s, an mr-2, a celica, an Si, an S2000, etc. etc. etc.
There's no arguing an fbody wouldn't dust these guys in a race----assuming there are plenty of straightaways. I take tons of pride in my car, but I have no problem admitting it's not exactly a world class performer in the turns... not in stock trim. hell, I've been outcornered by a 3500 series Diesel duallie truck before. I've driven an eclipse, I've driven an SI, and an s2000... they corner much better than my car did when it was stock.
No one pays attention... quit bench racing guys.
I'm not saying an fbody can't BEAT an Si or an eclipse.... I'm saying an fbody doesn't handle as well as these cars. A z28 or TA can pull mid-low .80's on a skidpad--- which is lower than an eclipse gt-s, an mr-2, a celica, an Si, an S2000, etc. etc. etc.
There's no arguing an fbody wouldn't dust these guys in a race----assuming there are plenty of straightaways. I take tons of pride in my car, but I have no problem admitting it's not exactly a world class performer in the turns... not in stock trim. hell, I've been outcornered by a 3500 series Diesel duallie truck before. I've driven an eclipse, I've driven an SI, and an s2000... they corner much better than my car did when it was stock.
This was published in the March 1997 issue of Motor Trend
'96 Z28 Camaro:
Lateral Acceleration: 0.87 g
Slalom: 65.7 mph
Also, I am not bench racing. The exact reason I said that those two cars are slower in Pro Solo II is because those ratings are given by those who DRIVE the cars against each other. It's not a random rating system. The coarses in Pro Solo II are "the twisties"
The Eclipse and the Civic Si are not going to outhandle or outrun the stock 93-02 F-body. I'm not saying this justbecause I own one, it's because I've looked at the data from those that drive all three of these cars and the F-body comes out on top.
Sorry to burst your bubble. If you are getting outhandled by a 3500 diesel, either there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with your car, your tires suck, or you are a terrible driver.
I will agree that the S2000 is a better handler than the F-body.
Dan
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Originally posted by stereomandan
I'm normally not one to call b.s., but
This was published in the March 1997 issue of Motor Trend
'96 Z28 Camero:
Lateral Acceleration: 0.87 g
Slalom: 65.7 mph
Also, I am not bench racing. The exact reason I said that those two cars are slower in Pro Solo II is because those ratings are given by those who DRIVE the cars against each other. It's not a random rating system. The coarses in Pro Solo II are "the twisties"
The Eclipse and the Civic Si are not going to outhandle or outrun the stock 93-02 F-body. I'm not saying this justbecause I own one, it's because I've looked at the data from those that drive all three of these cars and the F-body comes out on top.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Dan
I'm normally not one to call b.s., but
This was published in the March 1997 issue of Motor Trend
'96 Z28 Camero:
Lateral Acceleration: 0.87 g
Slalom: 65.7 mph
Also, I am not bench racing. The exact reason I said that those two cars are slower in Pro Solo II is because those ratings are given by those who DRIVE the cars against each other. It's not a random rating system. The coarses in Pro Solo II are "the twisties"
The Eclipse and the Civic Si are not going to outhandle or outrun the stock 93-02 F-body. I'm not saying this justbecause I own one, it's because I've looked at the data from those that drive all three of these cars and the F-body comes out on top.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Dan
Same here , I have years of accumulated Magazines , R&T , MOTOR TREND so on and so on , and I have read these kinds f numbers many of times .
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Originally posted by robb4964
I was just on a site full of information of this stuff , and it clearly said a Civic Si was .82 As was the ecplipse . So , according to the information on the websites I have been on . Mustangs and camaro's outhandle these cars . Have you donducted a test on these cars ?
I also have driven many ecplipse's and and civics and Ill tell you civics handle like ShEot . My friend had one with suspension work and big tires and it did not handle nothing like my car , Emergency handling didnt exist . the thing even had bad understeer . I dont care what you say, there is no way . A 92 eclipse I drove was a hell of a good hadling car . Better then a 98 DSM , wich BTW wont outhandle a V8 f-bod "unless its the AWD " The 92 w/16's would have . A civic , No way in hell ! And as far as you getting outhandled bye a truck... LMAO , sorry bout your luck . Either you got some really crappy tires, cant drive to save your life , or there is something wrong with your f-bod . Your talking about a vehicle the gets a .65 on a skidpad . ANd your also saying a car that gets a .82 handles better then an F-BOD ? thats like saying that they get a .79 or lower . A coutour or ford taurus gets better skidpad ratings then that. A police interceptor Crown gets a .81 . Does a f-bod handle like a crown ? . The only cars I have driven that handles way way better then a f-bod was a 300ZX TT , and a corvette . and that 300 felt like a rolling glue ball .
I was just on a site full of information of this stuff , and it clearly said a Civic Si was .82 As was the ecplipse . So , according to the information on the websites I have been on . Mustangs and camaro's outhandle these cars . Have you donducted a test on these cars ?
I also have driven many ecplipse's and and civics and Ill tell you civics handle like ShEot . My friend had one with suspension work and big tires and it did not handle nothing like my car , Emergency handling didnt exist . the thing even had bad understeer . I dont care what you say, there is no way . A 92 eclipse I drove was a hell of a good hadling car . Better then a 98 DSM , wich BTW wont outhandle a V8 f-bod "unless its the AWD " The 92 w/16's would have . A civic , No way in hell ! And as far as you getting outhandled bye a truck... LMAO , sorry bout your luck . Either you got some really crappy tires, cant drive to save your life , or there is something wrong with your f-bod . Your talking about a vehicle the gets a .65 on a skidpad . ANd your also saying a car that gets a .82 handles better then an F-BOD ? thats like saying that they get a .79 or lower . A coutour or ford taurus gets better skidpad ratings then that. A police interceptor Crown gets a .81 . Does a f-bod handle like a crown ? . The only cars I have driven that handles way way better then a f-bod was a 300ZX TT , and a corvette . and that 300 felt like a rolling glue ball .
Let me explain... When you're going into a turn, you don't hammer down, you brake. When you brake, even more weight shifts to the front of the car. Our cars are rear wheel drive... if you think that's good for handling, you need to wake up. Combine that with 3600 lbs of forward momentum, a fairly high center of gravity (as far as sports cars go), and a non i.r.s. and what you get is a car that can't corner very well. Argue all you like, but... you're wrong.
