Like it was stated earlier: magazine numbers mean little. Real world applications are the only thing that matters. Tires, weight, road surface, fwd/rwd, size of the car, you name it, it all makes a difference. It's good that you all love your cars, but they're not world-class performers on a road course.

 

LOL your basing all your crap on a butt dyno. numbers dont lie. and the front to rear ratio is 54/46 (from my own experience going to the scales).Just cuz you dont have the ***** to really drive your car dont hate on the fbody for your shortcomings. Just admit you cant drive. Argue all you like... you're wrong. LOL

 

i was saying your basing everything on how it FEELS vs what it DOES. big difference. Simple as that. give it up.

 

You're right, numbers never lie... that's why a 700hp supra can run a best of 12.40's, while a stock z06 with 405 hp runs the same.

I'm NOT basing my "crap" on magazine numbers. I've said several times I've driven these cars. Your comments get dumber with every post. You can be mario andretti, but that's not going to make an fbody handle any better. They're just not built for handling. It's simple really, and if you don't understand that, maybe you don't deserve to be driving one.

 

this must be more of your driving, or lack thereof.

 

Okay, assclown, since all you care about is numbers: check this.

I got these from Motor trend not 10 minutes ago.



These are skidpad & slalom numbers, straight from their road tests:


1999 Honda Civic EX (Not even an Si) .80g 65.7mph on 600ft slalom

2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse .81g 65.5 mph

2001 Honda S2000 .95g 71.3 mph

MR-2 spyder (a convertible, mind you) .87g 66.6mph

Mazda RX-8 .87g 68.1mph

nissan 350z .87g 68.0mph

2000 toyota celica .89g 69.1mph

And here's the bad news...

2000 WS-6 .84 64.6mph (Ouch, and that's with the upgraded suspension)

1999 z28 convertible .83g 65.7 (sadly, that's right there with the ws-6, and it's a convertible!)

2001 Ford Mustang GT .86g 67.8mph

1999 Ford Mustang GT Convertible .84g 65.0mph

2003 Chevy Cavalier (I threw this in just to rub it in a little)
.78g 67.7mph Man, a MUCH lower skidpad rating, but a significantly higher mph than both fbody cars. Bad news.





Looks like the sport compacts are wasting fbodies in the twisties, and even the fords are handling better.


I guess this argument is over. Take your beating like a man and accept it.

 

And remember what you said a few minutes ago... "Numbers never lie." Sucks when you help someone else's argument, doesn't it? Thank you, goodnight.

 

What, no stupid comeback?

 

And just to be the devil's advocate....

aren't you extrapolating how well your camaro handles based on how it FEELS vs. what it DOES?

 

WOW I NEVER KNEW WHOOPIN A VETTES *** COULD BRING UP SO MUCH CONTRAVERSY. ANYHOW, I DID TAKE HIS MONEY LAST NIGHT. PAYED FOR ME TO HAVE A NIVE DINNER. THANKS VETTE OWNER.

 

you have no idea what you are talking about. front wheel drive is probably the worst setup for handling. why don't you see it in formula one if it is so great? or on exotic street cars? or on common performance cars like vettes, the bmw m series cars, porsches, or even honda's own s2000? stumped? k, i'll tell ya- because you need to be able to point the car with the throttle when you are TRULY hauling ***. you need to be able to rotate the car with something other than the steering wheel. i've got a feeling that all of your car cornering experience is pretty much limited to lane changing and parking lot entrances, not at the limits of adhesion.

 

and here are some numbers for you. pay particular attention, you noob, to the "fastest" and "average" lap times of these cars. note, if you will, that the f-body pretty much smokes the **** out of all comers on the road course (and just about every other performance number). if that camaro would have had the crappy stock shocks and stock front-end alignment numbers tossed (the biggest reason f-fbodies handle kinda funky), the beating would have been MUCH more severe.

 

good job!

 

Your not very smart are you ? Like I said , I also drove them . Many of each , read that one slow so youll understand it . Plus i have 10 years worth of casr tests in every magazine you can think of . I keep them for times like this . when some guy thinks he knows moew about cars then the people that build them , test them , and drive them . Dont tell me im wrong , I know for a fact ! Go to your local library and pull up some archive magazines . The only Z's and Birds I can see not getting good ratings are ones with very small tires . Im not going to argue with you anymore , its a lost cause . Like talking to the wall . Here me now and understand me later.

 

Re-read this ........there are a civic and a mitsu in there and neither outhabdle a f-bod . You posted it your self . Be
sides thats 1 road test for each , there are variables .