Turbo'd LS1 v.s. Cam'd/Bolt'd LS1...
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Turbo'd LS1 v.s. Cam'd/Bolt'd LS1...
I'm at the track this weekend and I see a buddy of mine that has a '00 SS. Hes got a cam, 3.73s, LTs, full exhaust, 4L80 swap w/ upgrades, 3,8k stall, Z06 MAF, CAI, and some supension work. He's got a 100 shot on it also. Hes run 11.7s NA and 10.8-.9s on spray.
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
Well the last couple of weeks we've seen the guy with the Formula at the track, hes run high 12s at around 115 or so. We were all like wtf??? We thought his car was just slow...
Well it just so happens that my buddy with the SS gets lined up against him in 3rd round of elimination. My buddy says, "Hey go ask guy in the Form. if I can get right lane. I've got somebody in the stands videoing this and I want to get me beating him." So I walk over and tap on dudes window and ask him. He looks over at my buddy and then looks at me. "OK, he can get right lane if he wants..." Right then I knew something was up but I didn't say anything to my buddy. Dude in the Form. rolls up his window and starts playing with the boost controller as they roll up to the B/O box.
They both line up. My buddies got a 11.7 dial in and the 'bird had a 12.0 on his window. The Form. takes off first but suprisingly just rolls off and almost comes to a complete stop. My buddy in the SS gets a 3rd yellow and takes off. He comes by the dude in the Form. just sitting there and about the time my buddy in the SS gets 1-2 cars in front, the dud in the From. smashes the gas and starts moving, I mean MOVING. He comes by my buddy before they even get to the 1/8 and by the end of the 1/4 has greyhounds on my buddy...
Dude in the Form. goes 11.7 @ 135
Holy mother of mary!!! My buddy gets back to the staging lanes and was smiling like the grinch that stole christmas.
Come to find out guy in the Form. had been breaking in the motor on almost no boost for the last couple of weeks.
My buddy got his clock cleaned but it was awsome getting to see that car move!!
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
Well the last couple of weeks we've seen the guy with the Formula at the track, hes run high 12s at around 115 or so. We were all like wtf??? We thought his car was just slow...
Well it just so happens that my buddy with the SS gets lined up against him in 3rd round of elimination. My buddy says, "Hey go ask guy in the Form. if I can get right lane. I've got somebody in the stands videoing this and I want to get me beating him." So I walk over and tap on dudes window and ask him. He looks over at my buddy and then looks at me. "OK, he can get right lane if he wants..." Right then I knew something was up but I didn't say anything to my buddy. Dude in the Form. rolls up his window and starts playing with the boost controller as they roll up to the B/O box.
They both line up. My buddies got a 11.7 dial in and the 'bird had a 12.0 on his window. The Form. takes off first but suprisingly just rolls off and almost comes to a complete stop. My buddy in the SS gets a 3rd yellow and takes off. He comes by the dude in the Form. just sitting there and about the time my buddy in the SS gets 1-2 cars in front, the dud in the From. smashes the gas and starts moving, I mean MOVING. He comes by my buddy before they even get to the 1/8 and by the end of the 1/4 has greyhounds on my buddy...
Dude in the Form. goes 11.7 @ 135
Holy mother of mary!!! My buddy gets back to the staging lanes and was smiling like the grinch that stole christmas.Come to find out guy in the Form. had been breaking in the motor on almost no boost for the last couple of weeks.
My buddy got his clock cleaned but it was awsome getting to see that car move!!
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So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
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Originally posted by NoSlowCamaro
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
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Ok, I'll try this.
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
Dunno too much about Z's an such, but I'm'a learnin'
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
K, he says around 700hp, with a built LS1 and a turbo. Well, i know one guy who has a built 99+4.6 dyno'd @ 627hp/592tq....
That's with a blower, not a turbo, and turbo's tend to dyno higher, at least on GT's, so, if guy has a built LS1 and a turbo, he should be over 700 easy.
So what would that put a LS1 in? 10's with ****ty suspension?
I can believe it
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
Dunno too much about Z's an such, but I'm'a learnin'
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
K, he says around 700hp, with a built LS1 and a turbo. Well, i know one guy who has a built 99+4.6 dyno'd @ 627hp/592tq....
That's with a blower, not a turbo, and turbo's tend to dyno higher, at least on GT's, so, if guy has a built LS1 and a turbo, he should be over 700 easy.
So what would that put a LS1 in? 10's with ****ty suspension?
I can believe it
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Well, it sounds like they were bracket racing so that might explain why his buddy didn't spray.
Also, his friend has gone 11.70s N/A, that doesn't mean it's going to happen every time...even though it is an auto. We'd hafta know what the SS ran on that run.
The only thing that I find a little silly, is the fact that if they were bracket racing...why would this guy (just out of the blue) decide that he wants to run w/ some added boost? Consistency is what wins in bracket racing, not whoever is the fastest/quickest. Technically, the guy just lost that race, unless your friend red-lighted or broke out by more than the other guy.
Also, his friend has gone 11.70s N/A, that doesn't mean it's going to happen every time...even though it is an auto. We'd hafta know what the SS ran on that run.
The only thing that I find a little silly, is the fact that if they were bracket racing...why would this guy (just out of the blue) decide that he wants to run w/ some added boost?
Consistency is what wins in bracket racing, not whoever is the fastest/quickest. Technically, the guy just lost that race, unless your friend red-lighted or broke out by more than the other guy.
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Originally posted by Sephiroth
Ok, I'll try this.
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
Dunno too much about Z's an such, but I'm'a learnin'
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
K, he says around 700hp, with a built LS1 and a turbo. Well, i know one guy who has a built 99+4.6 dyno'd @ 627hp/592tq....
That's with a blower, not a turbo, and turbo's tend to dyno higher, at least on GT's, so, if guy has a built LS1 and a turbo, he should be over 700 easy.
So what would that put a LS1 in? 10's with ****ty suspension?
I can believe it
Ok, I'll try this.
So why didnt your friend spray him?? Sorry..its been a long day, so maybe you gave a reason that i've overlooked..But if he would have sprayed he would have had him by almost a full second..And also, doesent your friend run high 11's N/A?? So why did the form. have "greyhounds" on him?? like i said..sorry i must be missing something..i dont know..either way! It still sounds like it was awesome to watch!
Dunno too much about Z's an such, but I'm'a learnin'
There was another guy that heads up a club locally that I used to be a part of that a lot of people don't like. He's got a LS1 Formula (not sure which year) M6 with custom built motor and HUGE turbo. Don't have a lot of info except that it's the stock c.i. and the CR is lower. The turbo looks about the size of a T76 or thereabouts. He's got all bolt-ons, LTs, exhaust, 3.42s, full suspension, etc. The car had supposedly dyno'd 700+rwhp
K, he says around 700hp, with a built LS1 and a turbo. Well, i know one guy who has a built 99+4.6 dyno'd @ 627hp/592tq....
That's with a blower, not a turbo, and turbo's tend to dyno higher, at least on GT's, so, if guy has a built LS1 and a turbo, he should be over 700 easy.
So what would that put a LS1 in? 10's with ****ty suspension?
I can believe it
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Originally posted by NoSlowCamaro
What are you talking about man?? I think your saying that an LS1 with a big turbo pushing over 700 HP should be in the 10's??...Yea i would imagine that it should be in the 10's..
What are you talking about man?? I think your saying that an LS1 with a big turbo pushing over 700 HP should be in the 10's??...Yea i would imagine that it should be in the 10's..
10's with ****ty suspension?
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My buddy in the SS did run a 11.7 on that run.
My buddy and the dude in the Form. had been talking earlier and my buddy had been poking at his car and asking about why it wasn't running faster. When I asked the dude in the Form. if my buddy could get right lane for the vid, I guess he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
The reason he only ran a 11.7 @ 135 is because he went ahead and tripped the timers when he got to leave first and then just sat there while the time was running. I'm guessing he sat there for a good 2 seconds at least, waited for my buddy to leave and then get out about 1-2 cars in front. The guy in the Form. KNEW he was going to break out, he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
With a good driver/conditions, he should be low10s/high 9s EASY.
And BTW, my buddy would have not been able to keep up on spray. He only traps around 122-125. That's a big difference. And he didn't spray because he didn't know that the dude in the Form. turned up the boost. As far as he knew he was just bracket racing...
Jon
My buddy and the dude in the Form. had been talking earlier and my buddy had been poking at his car and asking about why it wasn't running faster. When I asked the dude in the Form. if my buddy could get right lane for the vid, I guess he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
The reason he only ran a 11.7 @ 135 is because he went ahead and tripped the timers when he got to leave first and then just sat there while the time was running. I'm guessing he sat there for a good 2 seconds at least, waited for my buddy to leave and then get out about 1-2 cars in front. The guy in the Form. KNEW he was going to break out, he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
With a good driver/conditions, he should be low10s/high 9s EASY.
And BTW, my buddy would have not been able to keep up on spray. He only traps around 122-125. That's a big difference. And he didn't spray because he didn't know that the dude in the Form. turned up the boost. As far as he knew he was just bracket racing...
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Originally posted by COMNBYU
My buddy in the SS did run a 11.7 on that run.
My buddy and the dude in the Form. had been talking earlier and my buddy had been poking at his car and asking about why it wasn't running faster. When I asked the dude in the Form. if my buddy could get right lane for the vid, I guess he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
The reason he only ran a 11.7 @ 135 is because he went ahead and tripped the timers when he got to leave first and then just sat there while the time was running. I'm guessing he sat there for a good 2 seconds at least, waited for my buddy to leave and then get out about 1-2 cars in front. The guy in the Form. KNEW he was going to break out, he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
With a good driver/conditions, he should be low10s/high 9s EASY.
And BTW, my buddy would have not been able to keep up on spray. He only traps around 122-125. That's a big difference. And he didn't spray because he didn't know that the dude in the Form. turned up the boost. As far as he knew he was just bracket racing...
Jon
My buddy in the SS did run a 11.7 on that run.
My buddy and the dude in the Form. had been talking earlier and my buddy had been poking at his car and asking about why it wasn't running faster. When I asked the dude in the Form. if my buddy could get right lane for the vid, I guess he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
The reason he only ran a 11.7 @ 135 is because he went ahead and tripped the timers when he got to leave first and then just sat there while the time was running. I'm guessing he sat there for a good 2 seconds at least, waited for my buddy to leave and then get out about 1-2 cars in front. The guy in the Form. KNEW he was going to break out, he just wanted to put my buddy in his place.
With a good driver/conditions, he should be low10s/high 9s EASY.
And BTW, my buddy would have not been able to keep up on spray. He only traps around 122-125. That's a big difference. And he didn't spray because he didn't know that the dude in the Form. turned up the boost. As far as he knew he was just bracket racing...
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Originally posted by NoSlowCamaro
What are you talking about man?? I think your saying that an LS1 with a big turbo pushing over 700 HP should be in the 10's??...Yea i would imagine that it should be in the 10's..
What are you talking about man?? I think your saying that an LS1 with a big turbo pushing over 700 HP should be in the 10's??...Yea i would imagine that it should be in the 10's..
I know this isn't a news flash to any of you. But ET has a lot to do with traction and the 60'. So, a statement like the above isn't always true. My ET's (10.2) don't correlate well with my trap speeds (140+) because my suspension setup is not optimzed for drag racing and that I launch it like a p***y. Waiting at the starting line would be an extreme example of "launching like a p***y"!
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