Results! LS1 vs. me
Could've been (unless you know it was a LT1). 13.4 is about average for the LT4 (although I've seen a few high 12's). Do you remember the trap? Shoot, I saw this young dude trailor his Zr1 to Atlanta dragway, only to run back to back 13.6's@106. There seems to be so many variances between GM's cars it's silly.
Jason
Jason
Originally posted by Antz97ZNJ
My bad guess it was a 94 or 5, surely wasnt a LT4...
My bad guess it was a 94 or 5, surely wasnt a LT4...
Originally posted by 97bowtie
315 at the flywheel? lol You show me a LS1 that dynoed in the 270 rwhp (on a dynojet, SAE corrected etc.). Most (as in 90%+) dyno 300 rwhp+. You guys crack me up.
315 at the flywheel? lol You show me a LS1 that dynoed in the 270 rwhp (on a dynojet, SAE corrected etc.). Most (as in 90%+) dyno 300 rwhp+. You guys crack me up.
. They vary quite a bit.
Originally posted by 97bowtie
So go run the car again!! We're talking about your sea level time vs. my 4500'+ DA time. While we are bench racing, maybe we should just correct our times? My DA corrected time in the SS is 12.6 @ 112. The car probably wouldn't trap higher than 109 stock at a good sea level track so that's as ridiculous as comparing your sea level times to my desert times.
.2-.4 ahead of me at the 60'? lol .2 maybe, but .4...no way...unless you're cutting 1.6 60's. If you want to play that game, I still have a set of ET Streets in my garage. You wouldn't stand a chance in hell (not that you do anyways). Your car isn't currently in the same class as a LS1 car. Period. Why not just admit that? This argument is stupid. It'd be the same as me arguing that my SS is as fast as a ZO6, but only if I had DRs on the car. Sure I could hold the ZO6 off for a hundred feet or so, but the outcome is inevitable. I'd lose. The same goes for your GT against any competent driver in a LS1. Keep in mind we are talking about *stock* LS1s. Throw a lid and a cutout on the LS1 and you have a lot of work to do.
I'm not trying to be like 'the LS1 is superior etc. bla.", but numbers are numbers whether it's a LS1 or a low 13 second dump truck.
So go run the car again!! We're talking about your sea level time vs. my 4500'+ DA time. While we are bench racing, maybe we should just correct our times? My DA corrected time in the SS is 12.6 @ 112. The car probably wouldn't trap higher than 109 stock at a good sea level track so that's as ridiculous as comparing your sea level times to my desert times.
.2-.4 ahead of me at the 60'? lol .2 maybe, but .4...no way...unless you're cutting 1.6 60's. If you want to play that game, I still have a set of ET Streets in my garage. You wouldn't stand a chance in hell (not that you do anyways). Your car isn't currently in the same class as a LS1 car. Period. Why not just admit that? This argument is stupid. It'd be the same as me arguing that my SS is as fast as a ZO6, but only if I had DRs on the car. Sure I could hold the ZO6 off for a hundred feet or so, but the outcome is inevitable. I'd lose. The same goes for your GT against any competent driver in a LS1. Keep in mind we are talking about *stock* LS1s. Throw a lid and a cutout on the LS1 and you have a lot of work to do.
I'm not trying to be like 'the LS1 is superior etc. bla.", but numbers are numbers whether it's a LS1 or a low 13 second dump truck.
You think you can cut a 2.0 60' time on the track I race on? I seriously doubt it. Concrete launch pad with lots of rubber and desert dust on it. It has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less traction than the streets around here. I probably cut about a 2.0 here with the DRs and a hard launch, whereas street tired vehicles are cutting 2.4s or worse.
I think my car is in the same class as most bone stock LS1s in the 1/4 mile (e.t. not trap speeds), meaning I will win some and lose some. I know from a roll start most LS1s would beat me. So far I am 2 and 0, what does that tell you? I am willing to race ANY stock LS1 anytime on this track. I will keep racing them and keep reporting back. Send some my way if you want!
I bet a great driver could cut low 13s in my car as it sits, if bone stock ones have gone 13.6s.
Originally posted by Antz97ZNJ
I would love to see where thats documented or where you found that .Those times and especially those traps are unheard of for a stock LT1...fastest LT1 time ive seen period was a 6spd LT1 96 vette that ran a 13.4, and that was off fbody.com years back
I would love to see where thats documented or where you found that .Those times and especially those traps are unheard of for a stock LT1...fastest LT1 time ive seen period was a 6spd LT1 96 vette that ran a 13.4, and that was off fbody.com years back
Originally posted by 97bowtie
I am comprehending 100% what you said. You made a point that not all LS1s come with 360 hp from the factory and that some may only have 315 at the flywheel. Of course there is going to be some variance, but the driver, conditions, as well as the running condition of the car will play a HUGE role in the car's performance. Poor maintenance is most likely the source of these 'weak' cars. You might find one here and there that rolls 280 rwhp or so (given poor running condition etc.), but it's not the norm and given it's rarity, it's irrelevant when comparing Steve's GT to LS1 cars (which is what this thread has become). Of course Steve ran poor running LS1s, or he wouldn't have stayed ahead for very long. That's just a simple fact. You/he may not want to hear it, but it's true.
I am comprehending 100% what you said. You made a point that not all LS1s come with 360 hp from the factory and that some may only have 315 at the flywheel. Of course there is going to be some variance, but the driver, conditions, as well as the running condition of the car will play a HUGE role in the car's performance. Poor maintenance is most likely the source of these 'weak' cars. You might find one here and there that rolls 280 rwhp or so (given poor running condition etc.), but it's not the norm and given it's rarity, it's irrelevant when comparing Steve's GT to LS1 cars (which is what this thread has become). Of course Steve ran poor running LS1s, or he wouldn't have stayed ahead for very long. That's just a simple fact. You/he may not want to hear it, but it's true.
Originally posted by 97bowtie
there really is no comparison between a LS1 and a LT1 in near stock form.
there really is no comparison between a LS1 and a LT1 in near stock form.
Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
Tim (1BadAzzGT) got a 14.0 run out of his 98 GT, most people ending up with high 14 second, low 15 second runs out of them. There are things that very from the norm.
Tim (1BadAzzGT) got a 14.0 run out of his 98 GT, most people ending up with high 14 second, low 15 second runs out of them. There are things that very from the norm.
Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
That event shall be fun Tim!!!!
We should run them, and give me a pair of binoculars so i can see you at the end of the quarter.
I hope there will be a big turnout for this one.
That event shall be fun Tim!!!!
We should run them, and give me a pair of binoculars so i can see you at the end of the quarter.
I hope there will be a big turnout for this one.
Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
And another thing the new GT's are comparable to LT1's. Stock LT1's have dipped down to 13.3's and traps of 105 mph. I never took my turd to the track stock but i bet it would have ran a 14.4@98 or something. So there is a big difference there aswell. There are exceptions to every rule. I can't wait till cool weather and some drag radials to actually see what this car has in it.
And another thing the new GT's are comparable to LT1's. Stock LT1's have dipped down to 13.3's and traps of 105 mph. I never took my turd to the track stock but i bet it would have ran a 14.4@98 or something. So there is a big difference there aswell. There are exceptions to every rule. I can't wait till cool weather and some drag radials to actually see what this car has in it.
My experience, however, speaking truthfully was at the 1/4 mile track (when my car was N/A) I ran my buddies bone stock 99 T/A (LS1) and I would have him by 2/3 cars up to around the 1/8th mile and at the quarter mile he would be 2/3 cars ahead. Keep in mind we're talking stock vs stock. Then again, my turd only had 225hp (at the flywheel) and not the 260hp engine that ford decided to throw in these POS cars in 99+.
That's my $.04 .... I'll take $.02 back and now we have $.02
Cheerio!
Originally posted by Steve Y
On average you are right. But if a super freak LT1 runs a dog LS1 it is very close.
On average you are right. But if a super freak LT1 runs a dog LS1 it is very close.
Originally posted by Steve Y
GMHTP ran a 13.4 at 102 in a bone stock '93 6M Formula.
GMHTP ran a 13.4 at 102 in a bone stock '93 6M Formula.
Originally posted by yellavette
No such thing as a 96 LT1 6spd vette Antz. If it was a stick and a 96, it was an LT4.
Jason
No such thing as a 96 LT1 6spd vette Antz. If it was a stick and a 96, it was an LT4.
Jason
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