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Old Jul 8, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Could've been (unless you know it was a LT1). 13.4 is about average for the LT4 (although I've seen a few high 12's). Do you remember the trap? Shoot, I saw this young dude trailor his Zr1 to Atlanta dragway, only to run back to back 13.6's@106. There seems to be so many variances between GM's cars it's silly.

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My bad guess it was a 94 or 5, surely wasnt a LT4...
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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315 at the flywheel? lol You show me a LS1 that dynoed in the 270 rwhp (on a dynojet, SAE corrected etc.). Most (as in 90%+) dyno 300 rwhp+. You guys crack me up.
I've seen two dyno 282 and 287 rwhp stock with a 6-speed on a dynojet SAE corrected. I've also seen one dyno 321 rwhp stock . They vary quite a bit.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by 97bowtie
So go run the car again!! We're talking about your sea level time vs. my 4500'+ DA time. While we are bench racing, maybe we should just correct our times? My DA corrected time in the SS is 12.6 @ 112. The car probably wouldn't trap higher than 109 stock at a good sea level track so that's as ridiculous as comparing your sea level times to my desert times.

.2-.4 ahead of me at the 60'? lol .2 maybe, but .4...no way...unless you're cutting 1.6 60's. If you want to play that game, I still have a set of ET Streets in my garage. You wouldn't stand a chance in hell (not that you do anyways). Your car isn't currently in the same class as a LS1 car. Period. Why not just admit that? This argument is stupid. It'd be the same as me arguing that my SS is as fast as a ZO6, but only if I had DRs on the car. Sure I could hold the ZO6 off for a hundred feet or so, but the outcome is inevitable. I'd lose. The same goes for your GT against any competent driver in a LS1. Keep in mind we are talking about *stock* LS1s. Throw a lid and a cutout on the LS1 and you have a lot of work to do.

I'm not trying to be like 'the LS1 is superior etc. bla.", but numbers are numbers whether it's a LS1 or a low 13 second dump truck.
I will run the car again, someday. It is 140 miles each way to the nearest sea level track. It is summer also, so the times would not be that great, right now.

You think you can cut a 2.0 60' time on the track I race on? I seriously doubt it. Concrete launch pad with lots of rubber and desert dust on it. It has waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less traction than the streets around here. I probably cut about a 2.0 here with the DRs and a hard launch, whereas street tired vehicles are cutting 2.4s or worse.

I think my car is in the same class as most bone stock LS1s in the 1/4 mile (e.t. not trap speeds), meaning I will win some and lose some. I know from a roll start most LS1s would beat me. So far I am 2 and 0, what does that tell you? I am willing to race ANY stock LS1 anytime on this track. I will keep racing them and keep reporting back. Send some my way if you want!

I bet a great driver could cut low 13s in my car as it sits, if bone stock ones have gone 13.6s.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:48 PM
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If you weren't 2,200 miles away, I would gladly make you my bitch
And if you could spank me at my crappy (no traction) track, I would gladly shake your hand!
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Antz97ZNJ
I would love to see where thats documented or where you found that .Those times and especially those traps are unheard of for a stock LT1...fastest LT1 time ive seen period was a 6spd LT1 96 vette that ran a 13.4, and that was off fbody.com years back
GMHTP ran a 13.4 at 102 in a bone stock '93 6M Formula.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by 97bowtie
I am comprehending 100% what you said. You made a point that not all LS1s come with 360 hp from the factory and that some may only have 315 at the flywheel. Of course there is going to be some variance, but the driver, conditions, as well as the running condition of the car will play a HUGE role in the car's performance. Poor maintenance is most likely the source of these 'weak' cars. You might find one here and there that rolls 280 rwhp or so (given poor running condition etc.), but it's not the norm and given it's rarity, it's irrelevant when comparing Steve's GT to LS1 cars (which is what this thread has become). Of course Steve ran poor running LS1s, or he wouldn't have stayed ahead for very long. That's just a simple fact. You/he may not want to hear it, but it's true.
Yes a strong running LS1 car should run me down in a hurry, I agree with you. I can't find a strong running stock one to run, though. I have driven and ridden in at least 10 stock LS1s, none of them had high miles or were ill maintained. They vary a lot, from absolute monsters to pretty weak. Gotta love GMs quality control.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by 97bowtie
there really is no comparison between a LS1 and a LT1 in near stock form.
On average you are right. But if a super freak LT1 runs a dog LS1 it is very close.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 08:07 PM
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Tim (1BadAzzGT) got a 14.0 run out of his 98 GT, most people ending up with high 14 second, low 15 second runs out of them. There are things that very from the norm.
Yep you have to literally drive it like you hate it. I'm hoping to move up to 13's soon
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 08:11 PM
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That event shall be fun Tim!!!!

We should run them, and give me a pair of binoculars so i can see you at the end of the quarter.

I hope there will be a big turnout for this one.
Yes we should run them you bully
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by CamaroGuy22
And another thing the new GT's are comparable to LT1's. Stock LT1's have dipped down to 13.3's and traps of 105 mph. I never took my turd to the track stock but i bet it would have ran a 14.4@98 or something. So there is a big difference there aswell. There are exceptions to every rule. I can't wait till cool weather and some drag radials to actually see what this car has in it.
Holy **** when my 98 was bone stock I was running 14.2@98 (yes folks, stock to the damn paper filter/goodyear tires). Folks that have been around this board know I have been there, done that. If you drive the damn car like you hate it (yes I'm not afraid to break parts), then, you will achieve the best ET. I would also give plenty of mod'd LT1's a run for their money.

My experience, however, speaking truthfully was at the 1/4 mile track (when my car was N/A) I ran my buddies bone stock 99 T/A (LS1) and I would have him by 2/3 cars up to around the 1/8th mile and at the quarter mile he would be 2/3 cars ahead. Keep in mind we're talking stock vs stock. Then again, my turd only had 225hp (at the flywheel) and not the 260hp engine that ford decided to throw in these POS cars in 99+.

That's my $.04 .... I'll take $.02 back and now we have $.02

Cheerio!
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
Yes a strong running LS1 car should run me down in a hurry, I agree with you.
Thank you.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
On average you are right. But if a super freak LT1 runs a dog LS1 it is very close.
More than on average is this a valid statement. It's true 90+% of the time. However, it does happen. My buddy's bone stock LT1 WS6 ran a 14.2 @ 99 and a guy he ran at the track in a stock LS1 auto SS ran a 13.9 @ 101. It was a close race. I never said it can't happen, but it's not the norm from the hundreds of times I have attended the track, street races, etc.
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Steve Y
GMHTP ran a 13.4 at 102 in a bone stock '93 6M Formula.
The thing (that holds true with most of what we have been discussing here) is, the conditions will make or break runs. If you run in negative DA, you will run 'freakish' times. If you run in the 115* AZ heat, with a 5000' DA you won't. Tracks vary, dynos vary. Nothing we are talking about here is concrete. I guess that's why it's been (and always is) such a long discussion. At least we managed to keep it civil this time.
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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No such thing as a 96 LT1 6spd vette Antz. If it was a stick and a 96, it was an LT4.

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the 1996 vettes were lt1s,although they had a limited edition grand sport for 1996 that came with the lt4

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Old Jul 9, 2004 | 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by lovescamaros25
the 1996 vettes were lt1s,although they had a limited edition grand sport for 1996 that came with the lt4
The 6 speed 1996 Corvettes were all LT4 cars.



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