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Old Aug 29, 2006 | 09:51 PM
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lol what was the wow for?
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Nope... never said the IRS was at fault. Complete driver error in thinking he could take the corner at a high rate of speed. This isn't a flame war anymore. The General Jason has spoken.

Roll racing or "ricing" from a roll is irrelevant. I could care less what a car does from a 40 punch. That also pretty much bypassed the work that nifty IRS has to accomplish in order to get that barge moving!
I don't like excuses as to why you haven't ran an impressive time w/ all that power. Throw some drag radials or Streets on that thing and run something that may impress me. That IRS can handle it, right?

I never said I was an expert. Actually I stated several that this has been my OPINION all along!
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 10:35 PM
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<<<----- someone knows WTF this is for... :blah:
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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It's all about the tires dude. 245's just won't hold when I juice it at the strip. Sure if I wanted to drop some dollars on rims and slicks, then repair bills down the road when I eventually destroy something, I could do better, but it's simply not that important to me. My goal was 11's without tearing anything up, and I did it. I don't have the time/money/desire to do more. Not to mention I need a cage before I can run again.

You said yourself you've got 425 hp and trap 114. I've got ~75 more hp than you and trap ~6 mph higher under less than ideal conditions. Seems right on to me. Why is that poor performance? Breaking into the 11's with just a cam and a 100 shot on street tires in the South Carolina heat/humidity doesn't impress you? You've got really high standards then.

As far as racing from a punch being for ricers, you're welcome to your opinion, but that's really the opposite of what I'm about. Hate to say it, but I'm all about street racing. The nearest strip is 2 hours away and only has test n tune on Thursday nights, so I don't get there often. My races usually come on my 50 mile highway commute to/from work, so having a car setup for drag racing isn't a concern of mine. Not to mention that racing from a punch takes the driver out of the equation a lot and gives you a better idea of which car is actually faster. I like that a lot. I don't care who the better driver is, I want clear and concise proof who's got the faster car.

Originally Posted by SS RRR
Nope... never said the IRS was at fault. Complete driver error in thinking he could take the corner at a high rate of speed. This isn't a flame war anymore. The General Jason has spoken.

Roll racing or "ricing" from a roll is irrelevant. I could care less what a car does from a 40 punch. That also pretty much bypassed the work that nifty IRS has to accomplish in order to get that barge moving!
I don't like excuses as to why you haven't ran an impressive time w/ all that power. Throw some drag radials or Streets on that thing and run something that may impress me. That IRS can handle it, right?

I never said I was an expert. Actually I stated several that this has been my OPINION all along!

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Old Sep 1, 2006 | 12:31 PM
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Re: LT1 vs 06 GTO

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As far as racing from a punch being for ricers, you're welcome to your opinion, but that's really the opposite of what I'm about. Hate to say it, but I'm all about street racing. The nearest strip is 2 hours away and only has test n tune on Thursday nights, so I don't get there often. My races usually come on my 50 mile highway commute to/from work, so having a car setup for drag racing isn't a concern of mine. Not to mention that racing from a punch takes the driver out of the equation a lot and gives you a better idea of which car is actually faster.
Exactly! Personally I'd rather have a nice, comfortable car that runs 13.0 @ 120 mph on a 2.5 60' than a car that runs 11.5 @ 114 on a 1.5 60' on a prepped track with slicks and a 6K clutch dump. Sure, the second car is "quicker" in the 1/4 mile, but take away the ridiculous launch and it becomes the slower car, and it is probably less comfortable to drive, handles worse, etc. Plus, I doubt that 11.5 car is going to run anything close to an 11.5 on the street. Oh well, I guess different people prefer different things, that's all there is to it.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 01:03 PM
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Good point. I raced a guy in a blown mustang a couple years ago at Atlanta dragway who bragged like crazy in the staging lanes that he'd beat me. He kept telling me how much better his supercharger was than my twin turbos (I had a Supra TT). Really p*ssed me off. Lined em up and I spun like a mf'er. Got a 2.3 60' foot and ended up with a 13.1 to his 12.9. He talked major sh*t while I hung my head. I didn't want to sound like I was making excuses, so I didn't say anything, but I trapped 6 mph higher than him, so I knew I had the faster car. Once the strip closed, I made sure to keep my eye out for him so I could follow him to I85. God smiled on me that day cause I got on the entrance to the highway right behind him and gave him the SEG as he looked in the mirror. Needless to say, by the time we got on the highway I was passing and pulling away. Put 5 cars on him by 100 mph and never saw him again. I'd take that over a 2 tenths victory at the strip any day.

Originally Posted by izzyz28
Exactly! Personally I'd rather have a nice, comfortable car that runs 13.0 @ 120 mph on a 2.5 60' than a car that runs 11.5 @ 114 on a 1.5 60' on a prepped track with slicks and a 6K clutch dump. Sure, the second car is "quicker" in the 1/4 mile, but take away the ridiculous launch and it becomes the slower car, and it is probably less comfortable to drive, handles worse, etc. Plus, I doubt that 11.5 car is going to run anything close to an 11.5 on the street. Oh well, I guess different people prefer different things, that's all there is to it.

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Old Sep 1, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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Good point. I raced a guy in a blown mustang a couple years ago at Atlanta dragway who bragged like crazy in the staging lanes that he'd beat me. He kept telling me how much better his supercharger was than my twin turbos (I had a Supra TT). Really p*ssed me off. Lined em up and I spun like a mf'er. Got a 2.3 60' foot and ended up with a 13.1 to his 12.9. He talked major sh*t while I hung my head. I didn't want to sound like I was making excuses, so I didn't say anything, but I trapped 6 mph higher than him, so I knew I had the faster car. Once the strip closed, I made sure to keep my eye out for him so I could follow him to I85. God smiled on me that day cause I got on the entrance to the highway right behind him and gave him the SEG as he looked in the mirror. Needless to say, by the time we got on the highway I was passing and pulling away. Put 5 cars on him by 100 mph and never saw him again. I'd take that over a 2 tenths victory at the strip any day.
That's exactly what I was talking about! So far this year I'm managed to make it to the track exactly 0 times, so you can guess that any fun I have is during my daily commute on the highway, where a 1.5 60' doesn't mean ****.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 04:06 PM
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That time in your sig can't be with the nitrous, can it?

Originally Posted by izzyz28
That's exactly what I was talking about! So far this year I'm managed to make it to the track exactly 0 times, so you can guess that any fun I have is during my daily commute on the highway, where a 1.5 60' doesn't mean ****.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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I searched the net and found the curb weight for the hardtop z28 as 3475 and vert 3575. Those are dry weights (I assume), so me weighing 3722 with fluids and a couple gallons of gas puts me about 200 heavier....like I said General rule of thumb is 10 hp per 100 lbs. of weight, so I'm at a 20 hp disadvantage to a 3500 lbs. car (everything else being identical of course). I'm not claiming that's great or anything, but it certainly doesn't make me incapable of being fast, or a garbage barge, or anything else. It's the same weight as an 03-04 cobra btw, but you say you'd rather have a stang because it can be made fast.

<most guys on here seem to feel imvinciple to flats and drive with no spare/jack/junk etc>

I can't do that?

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Yea, and even if you put a F-Body convertible on there, w/o driver its only 3500 lbs ... Thats a 200 lbs difference from a CONVERTIBLE. A 300LBS difference from a hard top, and most guys on here seem to feel imvinciple to flats and drive with no spare/jack/junk etc ... So there is a noticable weight disadvantage. I can tell when two of my friends are in my car ( Close to 300 lbs maybe ? ). 3700lbs is heavy for a newer car, that isnt a Mopar ... And im sure one that is fully loaded, with a full tank of gas, etc. is going to be closer to 3800. Im not saying their super heavy or that their dogs ... But dont act like 300lbs is next to no difference ...

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Old Sep 1, 2006 | 06:06 PM
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That time in your sig can't be with the nitrous, can it?
Nope, that's N/A in fairly crappy weather at full operating temperature, full weight, right off the street. The two times I actually ran it with nitrous it ran 12.8 @ 114. I later discovered that my fuel pump was near-dead, and I'm very surprised that I didn't hurt anything.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 07:40 PM
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Never said you couldnt ... I was just sying ...

And that curb weight is FULL tank of gas. Full fluids.

Shipping weight on a 95 Convertible Z28 ( All fluids, except for gas ) is 3490. For a hard top it was like 3400 even I think? I forget I have the book upstairs.

Curb weight is full weight htough, full tank, all fluids full, spare and jack included. Which would make sense. You said the convertible curb weight was 3575. Which would be like 80 lbs more than shipping weight. A full tank is like 15 gallons. And they are shipped with a couple gallons to pull them around and move them and stuff. So that makes sense ...
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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O and I just wanted to say, that I do, 100% agree with you guys about racing from a roll. I mean, Ill go from a dig, but I have no problem with going from a roll either. It rules out driver error, so the results, usually, are unargueable ... And why should I pound the driveline like that if I dont have too? I mean, really, IRS, LRA, whatever, you are just asking to break **** trying to cut a good 60 foot on sticky tires. I just dont get that much "more" fun out of launching my car than if I just nailed it from a 1st gear roll.
Old Sep 1, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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20 roll works for me!
Old Sep 2, 2006 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by yellavette
It's all about the tires dude. 245's just won't hold when I juice it at the strip. Sure if I wanted to drop some dollars on rims and slicks, then repair bills down the road when I eventually destroy something, I could do better, but it's simply not that important to me. My goal was 11's without tearing anything up, and I did it. I don't have the time/money/desire to do more. Not to mention I need a cage before I can run again.
Oh... and all along I thought IRS had ninja skills on the track too.
You said yourself you've got 425 hp and trap 114.
First off... that's four hundred twenty FLYWHEEL horsepower. Remember kids... if there is no reference to power at the wheels then flywheel hp is understood.
As far as racing from a punch being for ricers, you're welcome to your opinion, but that's really the opposite of what I'm about. Hate to say it, but I'm all about street racing. The nearest strip is 2 hours away and only has test n tune on Thursday nights, so I don't get there often. My races usually come on my 50 mile highway commute to/from work, so having a car setup for drag racing isn't a concern of mine.
It is for ricers and those drivers who can't drive to save their lives. If drag racing is not a concern of yours then please stop trying to convince me the GTO barge is all that when it comes to the strip. Because it's quite obvious you have not a clue of what you're talking about. Thanks
Not to mention that racing from a punch takes the driver out of the equation a lot and gives you a better idea of which car is actually faster. I like that a lot. I don't care who the better driver is, I want clear and concise proof who's got the faster car.
Ugh... Next thing I know you'll be trying to convince me that drifting will enter into the equation to determine what car has mo powa!
Part of drag racing has to do with driver ability. You want to find out what car makes more power then go to your local dyno and sock it out.
iyll run u from a 60 punch foo! puke
Old Sep 2, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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You just want to argue dude....go get laid and step away from the pc for awhile.

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Oh... and all along I thought IRS had ninja skills on the track too.

First off... that's four hundred twenty FLYWHEEL horsepower. Remember kids... if there is no reference to power at the wheels then flywheel hp is understood.

It is for ricers and those drivers who can't drive to save their lives. If drag racing is not a concern of yours then please stop trying to convince me the GTO barge is all that when it comes to the strip. Because it's quite obvious you have not a clue of what you're talking about. Thanks

Ugh... Next thing I know you'll be trying to convince me that drifting will enter into the equation to determine what car has mo powa!
Part of drag racing has to do with driver ability. You want to find out what car makes more power then go to your local dyno and sock it out.
iyll run u from a 60 punch foo! puke

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