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Old Mar 17, 2004 | 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by KrazyCobra
A guy on this board that goes by Greenbean or something like that has a full weight camaro with 424rwhp and is trapping 119mph. Where are these lightened fbodys?
Old Mar 17, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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99 NBM CAMARO SS # 3487 M6
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BEST MPH118.25
BEST 60'ft1.58
JET HOT LTs, JET HOT Hooker ORY, QTP Cutout, Pro 5.0 Shifter, Whisper Lid with K&N,CARTEK clutch, CARTEK ported TB,ASP Pulley,LS6 intake, BMR LCAs, PHB & TA, Moser 9" w/ 4.11s, 3.5" DS, 160 T-stat


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LGM G5X-2 cam, Absolute Speed 5.3L S2 heads (upgrading to Stage 2.5s), Kook LTs
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Lots of suspension stuff
11.45@121.1 MPH, 1.60 60ft, 3560lbs raceweight
447rwhp 414rwtq


2001 SS
433rwhp 390rwtq
60 foot 1.716
330 foot 4.887
1/8 mile 7.495 @ 94.990
1000 foot 9.746
1/4 mile 11.638 @ 119.550 MPH


2001 WS6 TransAm M6
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315rwhp & 332rwtq - motor(stock); 413rwhp & 554rwtq - nitrous(old setup)
12.71 @ 111.13mph, 1.91 60ft. - motor before cam; 11.82 @ 121.88, 2.05 60ft. - nitrous before cam


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60 foot 2.030
330 foot 0.000
1/8 mile 7.940 @ 94.500
1000 foot 0.000
1/4 mile 12.020 @ 120.300 MPH
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by hsyr
I see its a pi$$ing contest again. Who cares anyway? Ford had to put a blower on the Mustang to make it put down serious numbers to the back tires. Atleast GM can do it N/A
Yes, but us GM guys don't have forged internals from the factory w/ warranty...

Real easy to swap that pulley and make 450+ at the wheels without breaking a sweat.

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by RealQuick
Everyone uses that $500 line. The truth is its more like 1500 bucks to get close to 500rwhp. It will take a pulley, tuning, headers/exhaust, CAI atleast. Those mods are more than 1000 bucks. Just headers are more than 500 bucks.

Just trying to let the misinformed fbody owners out there know that 500 bucks is on the low side. I can see 430-440rwhp for 500, but will take mor ethan a pulley and CAI to get 500rwhp. I met a guy who dynoed 485rwhp with full exhaust, pulley, injectors, tuning, CAI.
$1500 isn't sh*t in the scheme of things...

Hell, a good exhaust system from headers back on an ls-1 can run over $2000 and we sure as hell won't put mid 400's hp at the wheels.

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 06:21 AM
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Then a full weight '03 Cobra can trap 124+ mph with 500 rwhp.
Hate to tell you, but leadsled posted a ton of 03 Cobra sigs and most of the guys making mid to high 400's (450-480rwhp) were only tapping 115-118mph, some of the 480 guys got close to 120mph, but they are too damn heavy. Thats why dyno numbers dont mean squat for the cobras. I would say dyno queens, but I have more respect for them then supras

If you havent seen them run at the track, then atleast go to stangnet or something and check people's sigs.

I met a guy that made 485rwhp in his 03 Cobra and he trapped 119mph. I also know a guy that has 430rwhp in his Firehawk (full weight 3700+lbs with driver) and he traps 120mph. Those are REAL WORLD examples.

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by KrazyCobra
I think there is a rule here, that you need atleast 1 post before you can pull the bs flag.

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by BirchMan98z
$1500 isn't sh*t in the scheme of things...

Hell, a good exhaust system from headers back on an ls-1 can run over $3000 and we sure as hell won't put mid 400's hp at the wheels.
$3000???? I haven't seen a gold plated exhaust yet. I have what is considered the most expensive exhaust, at $850, and I could have someone custom fabricate stainless steel headers and I still wouldn't get to $3000.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by RealQuick
I think there is a rule here, that you need atleast 1 post before you can pull the bs flag.

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Wow that was so insightful now how about you go shutup and sit down.

Second post down

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...threadid=52483

03 Cobra -- Sonic Blue
#4514 Born on 01-06-03

11.25@122.58 1.64 60ft
Best MPH 123.78
7.24@98.6 1/8th
Stock Eaton w/bolt on's
474WHP 492TQ SAE

It just depends on the driver. I also post quite often but only in the lounge and that don't seem to add posts to the counter FYI

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by KrazyCobra
Wow that was so insightful now how about you go shutup and sit down.

Second post down

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...threadid=52483

03 Cobra -- Sonic Blue
#4514 Born on 01-06-03

11.25@122.58 1.64 60ft
Best MPH 123.78
7.24@98.6 1/8th
Stock Eaton w/bolt on's
474WHP 492TQ SAE

It just depends on the driver. I also post quite often but only in the lounge and that don't seem to add posts to the counter FYI
Hmm...OK, thats 1 out of the whole list! Weight reduction?? Most likely. Look at the rest of the cobras on the list.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by RealQuick
Hate to tell you, but leadsled posted a ton of 03 Cobra sigs and most of the guys making mid to high 400's (450-480rwhp) were only tapping 115-118mph, some of the 480 guys got close to 120mph, but they are too damn heavy. Thats why dyno numbers dont mean squat for the cobras. I would say dyno queens, but I have more respect for them then supras

If you havent seen them run at the track, then atleast go to stangnet or something and check people's sigs.

I met a guy that made 485rwhp in his 03 Cobra and he trapped 119mph. I also know a guy that has 430rwhp in his Firehawk (full weight 3700+lbs with driver) and he traps 120mph. Those are REAL WORLD examples.
If a 420 rwhp LT1 that weighs 3450 lbs. can trap 120, then why can't a 500 rwhp Cobra that weighs 3670 lbs. trap 124? That's only a 220 lb. weight disadvantage and an 80 rwhp advantage.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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That is the question of the day.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by RealQuick
Hmm...OK, thats 1 out of the whole list! Weight reduction?? Most likely. Look at the rest of the cobras on the list.
Well it may be only one, but that proves it can be done. Like I said before it depends a lot on the driver.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 02:37 PM
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I'm sure you could find your answer by looking at the dyno charts. Peak hp numbers mean little. Maybe the Cobra makes 500 rwhp for only a window of 1k rpms, but what about before and after that window? The Ls1 car might make peak power for 2k rpms or more (I've never seen a dyno on one). Look at the torque band too. Where does it peak? How flat is it?

Here's a good example. My first supra made 435 rwhp off bottle (pump gas), my supercharged vette made 443 rwhp on pump gas. The Supra made peak power at 5k rpms and only held it from 5k to 6k. Torque peak was up there too (can't remember the #'s). My vette on the other hand made peak torque much lower (with an unbelievably flat band) and held it's peak hp for a broader range of rpm. The vette trapped at 122 wheras the Supra trapped at 117. Almost equal peak power, equal weight, different traps. It's all about the area under the curve.

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Originally posted by Steve Y
If a 420 rwhp LT1 that weighs 3450 lbs. can trap 120, then why can't a 500 rwhp Cobra that weighs 3670 lbs. trap 124? That's only a 220 lb. weight disadvantage and an 80 rwhp advantage.

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Old Mar 18, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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Maybe the Cobra makes 500 rwhp for only a window of 1k rpms
I seriously doubt that with 4.6 liters and an intercooled roots type blower pushing a lot of boost.
Old Mar 18, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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yeah, thing makes full boost pretty much off idle. if anything i think its FAIRLY safe to assume it would have a better tq curve than the ls1 if anything though i could be wrong.



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