06 GT vs 97 LT1 vid
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How is it with time that cars seem to get faster than when it was their hayday.
I own both a LT1 and a edgebody mustang (2000 gt) which were comparable unless you speak to the diehard brand loyalist. They have always been a drivers race.
Now the 3valve mod motor mustangs are a bit quicker and should run times closer to LS1's. I have no experience with either but only have seen time slips from both.
I dont know where people are getting off with these comments. Your car is only as fast as you can drive it. But for comparisons sake giving all conditions equal the GT would run away from a LT1.
I own both a LT1 and a edgebody mustang (2000 gt) which were comparable unless you speak to the diehard brand loyalist. They have always been a drivers race.
Now the 3valve mod motor mustangs are a bit quicker and should run times closer to LS1's. I have no experience with either but only have seen time slips from both.
I dont know where people are getting off with these comments. Your car is only as fast as you can drive it. But for comparisons sake giving all conditions equal the GT would run away from a LT1.
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Not trying to start a war with ya But I have had many friends with edgebody mustangs and stock for stock/mod for mod the LT1 is a bit faster.I actually had a friend who bought an 02 Automatic and that things was a Dog running a 14.7 at best
But they where averaging mid/low 14's. Especially from a roll. Unless you start talkin machs or Cobra's.Is your LT1 a POS or what? How many have you owned/driven? Please dont base all LT1 peformance off of 1 old 94. My 94 was bye far the slowst of all my LT1's running low 14's at best.
WHen you say all conditions equal a GT runs away from an LT1 are you talkin stock 05 GT vs stock LT1? Most of the time that would be true.
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I base my LT1 judegement off of owing one...5 friends owning them...the countless ones I have seen at the track.
But that means **** because some people live in a fantasy world with their car....
But that means **** because some people live in a fantasy world with their car....
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Not trying to start a war with ya But I have had many friends with edgebody mustangs and stock for stock/mod for mod the LT1 is a bit faster.I actually had a friend who bought an 02 Automatic and that things was a Dog running a 14.7 at best But they where averaging mid/low 14's. Especially from a roll. Unless you start talkin machs or Cobra's.
But they where averaging mid/low 14's. Especially from a roll. Unless you start talkin machs or Cobra's.
(perhaps slightly under-rated at that?? 
). But you're saying your friend ran 14.7 with an auto GT, and a guy I know ran a 14.55 w/5-speed ('99 GT). I've seen others running in the 14's / 15's as well.IMO, LT1's should still out-run those GT's, but the NEW '05+ GT, then NO, I think they "should" beat LT1's, while LS1's can still out-run them
.This is all assuming stock vs. stock, and equal drivers
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I would have to agree with that. '99 - '04 GT's (not '03/'04 Cobras) were only 260 HP (stock) and LT1's were rated what, 275 or 285 HP stock? (perhaps slightly under-rated at that?? ). But you're saying your friend ran 14.7 with an auto GT, and a guy I know ran a 14.55 w/5-speed ('99 GT). I've seen others running in the 14's / 15's as well.
IMO, LT1's should still out-run those GT's, but the NEW '05+ GT, then NO, I think they "should" beat LT1's, while LS1's can still out-run them.
This is all assuming stock vs. stock, and equal drivers.
(perhaps slightly under-rated at that?? ). But you're saying your friend ran 14.7 with an auto GT, and a guy I know ran a 14.55 w/5-speed ('99 GT). I've seen others running in the 14's / 15's as well.IMO, LT1's should still out-run those GT's, but the NEW '05+ GT, then NO, I think they "should" beat LT1's, while LS1's can still out-run them
.This is all assuming stock vs. stock, and equal drivers
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14.55 with an M5 99' GT?! Ouch... I have seen a few run high 13's bone stock. Hell, an ex of mine had a bone stock 04' A4 GT that ran 14.60's completely stock.Oh well, there are ringers & duds in every make and model.
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I would have to agree with that. '99 - '04 GT's (not '03/'04 Cobras) were only 260 HP (stock) and LT1's were rated what, 275 or 285 HP stock? (perhaps slightly under-rated at that?? ). But you're saying your friend ran 14.7 with an auto GT, and a guy I know ran a 14.55 w/5-speed ('99 GT). I've seen others running in the 14's / 15's as well.
IMO, LT1's should still out-run those GT's, but the NEW '05+ GT, then NO, I think they "should" beat LT1's, while LS1's can still out-run them.
This is all assuming stock vs. stock, and equal drivers.
(perhaps slightly under-rated at that?? ). But you're saying your friend ran 14.7 with an auto GT, and a guy I know ran a 14.55 w/5-speed ('99 GT). I've seen others running in the 14's / 15's as well.IMO, LT1's should still out-run those GT's, but the NEW '05+ GT, then NO, I think they "should" beat LT1's, while LS1's can still out-run them
.This is all assuming stock vs. stock, and equal drivers
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How is it with time that cars seem to get faster than when it was their hayday.
I own both a LT1 and a edgebody mustang (2000 gt) which were comparable unless you speak to the diehard brand loyalist. They have always been a drivers race.
Now the 3valve mod motor mustangs are a bit quicker and should run times closer to LS1's. I have no experience with either but only have seen time slips from both.
I dont know where people are getting off with these comments. Your car is only as fast as you can drive it. But for comparisons sake giving all conditions equal the GT would run away from a LT1.
I own both a LT1 and a edgebody mustang (2000 gt) which were comparable unless you speak to the diehard brand loyalist. They have always been a drivers race.
Now the 3valve mod motor mustangs are a bit quicker and should run times closer to LS1's. I have no experience with either but only have seen time slips from both.
I dont know where people are getting off with these comments. Your car is only as fast as you can drive it. But for comparisons sake giving all conditions equal the GT would run away from a LT1.
Anything that even might come across across derogatory towards the precious Fbody will NOT be tolerated. You are going to be banned really soon
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No Im saying it in this order LS1>GT3valve>GT2valve/LT1.
And my 94 Camaro actually has a 96 engine with better STOCK heads. And a race built 4l60e with a converter, longtube headers, ORY, flowmasters.... Now Im not saying my 2000 could beat it as it sits now but I have seen plenty race and know the outcome. A decent(not factory freak) 99-04 5speed should be in the 13's.
You need to consider that most people are more familiar with the mustang and many more losers buy em. Most time slips you will see obviously will be slower because you have younger more ignorant people driving them.
As for the comment on the autos, Ford has a pretty bad auto tranny compared to the 60e. The 5 speed is its niche.
And my 94 Camaro actually has a 96 engine with better STOCK heads. And a race built 4l60e with a converter, longtube headers, ORY, flowmasters.... Now Im not saying my 2000 could beat it as it sits now but I have seen plenty race and know the outcome. A decent(not factory freak) 99-04 5speed should be in the 13's.
You need to consider that most people are more familiar with the mustang and many more losers buy em. Most time slips you will see obviously will be slower because you have younger more ignorant people driving them.
As for the comment on the autos, Ford has a pretty bad auto tranny compared to the 60e. The 5 speed is its niche.
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[QUOTE=Demon's Camaro;4314755]No Im saying it in this order LS1>lt1/GT3valve>GT2valve
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I fixed that for ya.
The 2 valve is not equal to the LT1 in any way shape or form.I detroyed so many GT's when I bought my very first LT1 you would have thought they where v6 cars.It dont net as much power stock,dont compare in the torque dept. and the gap grows wider once you start modding the two of them.
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I fixed that for ya.
The 2 valve is not equal to the LT1 in any way shape or form.I detroyed so many GT's when I bought my very first LT1 you would have thought they where v6 cars.It dont net as much power stock,dont compare in the torque dept. and the gap grows wider once you start modding the two of them.
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. People don't usually get banned here for putting down Chevys or praising Fords ... obviously you won't get overwhelming support, but it's not grounds for being "banned" ... that is a concept I have only ever seen on a couple Mustang boards, seriously! Hell, even Mustang guys (not just GM "trolls") get banned if they say anything against Mustangs?! Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!
LS1 > GT3 ('05+?) > LT1 > GT2 ('04-?)
I don't even know how you can support your claim?
At least I can back mine up:350 HP > 300 HP > 285 HP > 260 HP
LT1's can run 13's stock too
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The gt2valve/LT1 was meaning they are too similar in performance. It is a slash, meaning either could win in a outing. Im not saying the LT1 is a dog!
And you should be ashamed of yourself for looking at just the factory numbers given for hp and using that as your claim. What about the weight difference? What about the hp and tq curves? What about rear end gearing? Seriously!
Now Im not insulting the LT1 at all, I actually like the tq factor presented from the LT1 more so than any other car out there. Im just stating that a good running 5speed GT and a good running LT1 will be comparable on any given day with the race usually going to the better driver.
Its funny on this board the LT1 will always win, yet over on corral.net the edgebody will always win. Well I own both, I drive both, I am not partial to either side as they are BOTH American muscle and I have seen plenty race each other.
You are entitled to keep with your endless ranting but all Im trying to say is that there are cars that keep up with camaros and ........OMG some can beat em too
Eh enough with bickering. I still love this board
And you should be ashamed of yourself for looking at just the factory numbers given for hp and using that as your claim. What about the weight difference? What about the hp and tq curves? What about rear end gearing? Seriously!
Now Im not insulting the LT1 at all, I actually like the tq factor presented from the LT1 more so than any other car out there. Im just stating that a good running 5speed GT and a good running LT1 will be comparable on any given day with the race usually going to the better driver.
Its funny on this board the LT1 will always win, yet over on corral.net the edgebody will always win. Well I own both, I drive both, I am not partial to either side as they are BOTH American muscle and I have seen plenty race each other.
You are entitled to keep with your endless ranting but all Im trying to say is that there are cars that keep up with camaros and ........OMG some can beat em too
Eh enough with bickering. I still love this board
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I'm not ashamed of ****!!
And in pretty much all cases of newer 'Vettes / Camaros / Mustangs ... they're ALL "drivers' races", I realize that. And mod-for-mod, some respond better than others. All the little things count, and the conditions matter too (weather, street/track conditions) ... but IMO, if you put the same driver into all 4 of the cars in question, the order I posted would stand true. Can a Mustang beat an LT1 or an LS1?? Damn right they can! Do they have to be modded to do it? Nope! Probably not. But while the HP "ratings" are just that, there is a degree of accuracy to them, and that pecking order isn't far out of order .
And in pretty much all cases of newer 'Vettes / Camaros / Mustangs ... they're ALL "drivers' races", I realize that
. And mod-for-mod, some respond better than others. All the little things count, and the conditions matter too (weather, street/track conditions) ... but IMO, if you put the same driver into all 4 of the cars in question, the order I posted would stand true. Can a Mustang beat an LT1 or an LS1?? Damn right they can! Do they have to be modded to do it? Nope! Probably not. But while the HP "ratings" are just that, there is a degree of accuracy to them, and that pecking order isn't far out of order .