03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
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From: pewaukee,WI U.S
Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by OrbitalChris
Thanks chicken man,lol, and I think Cobras are sick, trust me I def wasnt racing one of those...nor did I say because my LT1 has exhaust that its the fastest thing on the road...but I have a stock LS1 M6 T/A too, and its not faster than my Z,...lets not forget LS1s only have 20hp on a 96LT1, and they dont pull as hard through the bottom end..., I love my LS1, but I beat the Mach 1 in my 96Z, if you think im lying, thats cool, maybe ill video tape it next time
Its all good dude,like I said anything can happen on the street,so No I dont think you are lying,but hey if you get the next one on video tape that would be cool to see.
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From: Exton, Pennsylvania
Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by Mighty
Everything that I've heard says they are underrated. Many people are getting 280-290 at the wheels, so if you use the 305hp factory rating (2003), then that figures out to a drivetrain loss between 5% and 9%.
We can probably agree that that's pretty unlikely.
Now, using a more likely 15% we get 260whp (from 305).
To get 280whp, and using a 15% drivetrain loss, that's a 330hp rating at the crank.
So, the engine is obviously underrated.
We can probably agree that that's pretty unlikely.
Now, using a more likely 15% we get 260whp (from 305).
To get 280whp, and using a 15% drivetrain loss, that's a 330hp rating at the crank.
So, the engine is obviously underrated.
Most Machs I have seen dynos of have been in the high 270s/low 280s range. That seems typical for the car, so it seems the engine is somewhat underrated. I have only ever seen one Mach in the 290 range stock.
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by robvas
I started to call BS once I read about the brakes sparking
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by OrbitalChris
And LS1s are 305 unless you have an SS or WS6 or something, and 96 LT1s were 285...my masters tells me 305-285=20, but hey what do I know
I hope its not a masters in "Automotive Knowledge" LS1's are closer to 305 @ the wheels than at the crank. Where have you been? Is this the first time youv'e heard this? Same engine in ss as in Z28 EXACTLY.
No offense to lt1 guys just facts.................sorry
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by OrbitalChris
My car dynoed 307rwhp with my intake only
Or are you secretly running a electric supercharger and not telling us?
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
From the sounds of it the Mach 1 guy couldn't drive. Shifting gears has alot to do with winning the race from a roll. Pretty much any race. Good driver kill.
Like the others are saying, the LS1 was way underated and there is really no difference in the SS and Z28 model except for the pretty hood and maybe an SLP exhaust. ( Yes I know about the different suspension set ups that some had.) So maybe another 10rwhp. The LT1 was pretty much on cue for rated power. Dyno runs have proved this again and again.
From what your saying about your intake gains I should be in the mid
12's. Sweet.
Maybe that was flywheel power on a cold, no humidity kinda day.
Like the others are saying, the LS1 was way underated and there is really no difference in the SS and Z28 model except for the pretty hood and maybe an SLP exhaust. ( Yes I know about the different suspension set ups that some had.) So maybe another 10rwhp. The LT1 was pretty much on cue for rated power. Dyno runs have proved this again and again.
From what your saying about your intake gains I should be in the mid
12's. Sweet.
Maybe that was flywheel power on a cold, no humidity kinda day.
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
I hope you don't mean masters degree as in a college degree...we are the same age and that would put us as sophmores in college...
I am raising my second bull**** flag on this...
I am raising my second bull**** flag on this...
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by mhhodges76
Excellent job on the sucky mustang. You r tha best!
I wonder if he was racing a "poser" Mustang. There are tons around here pretending to be machs and GT's.
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by OrbitalChris
I was hanging out at dunkin donuts tonight, with my friend in an 06'STI and this kid in a red 03 Mach1 shows up talking all kinds of bullsh#@t about how great his car is. So obviously we couldnt resist showing him whos got the real car here... So we go onto the highway, and he wants to go off a roll @ like 50mph, and then at 20, whatever hes an idiot...so every time I start pulling away from him he says that his radar went off and he had to slow down..bs.., then he tries to race my friends STI and as soon as Mike in the STi gets like 3 cars on him, he pulls the same radar line/ I wanted him to do one last one so we went from like 50 and I just shifted my car into 3rd,and he starts going in 1st gear..just red lining the SH#*t out of it, but I still got like a car on him and then I slowed down because my front left rim has a dent the size of an orange in it lol, so I nailed the brakes at like 115, and my front brake started sparking!! it was a sign from God that I need new brakes lol, but yeh the point is....mustangs suck lol
I wanna call the flag when He said the guy in the STi had his turn beating up on the mach1.
I actually had a light blt on mach1 hand it to me in my LT1 a few weeks ago at the track. Granted I have 2:73s I still have a CAI,dynomax muffler,hp3 and airfoil I ran a 13.706@102 VS his 13.2@107 with identical 60's. So obviously, it was putting down a signifigant amount of HP more then the LT1.
I still have the torque but with his trap speeds he would have thrashed my LT1 on the highway. Just being realistic.Im sure the Ford guys wanted to jump on this one but didnt wanna get called FLAMERS!..Thats ok..Us realistic people have you'r back.
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by robb4964
LOL...
I wonder if he was racing a "poser" Mustang. There are tons around here pretending to be machs and GT's.
I wonder if he was racing a "poser" Mustang. There are tons around here pretending to be machs and GT's.
Thats funny that you say that,I was on my way home tonight and I stopped at KFC,one of the employees that was there insisted that my cobra was a regular stang and that the cobra emblems were put on.I laughed my *** off and asked him to lay off the crack,that told him it was a real terminator.The guy cracked me up.I actually drove beside a Z28 Lt1 on the way home also but he wouldnt play,he was a older guy and probably thought I was stupid for trying. Oh well
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Coulda been an auto Mach1 yes? Missed that detail if he stated it was clearly a 5spd. As I understand it they are significantly slower.
Also, I don't buy his 307rwhp w/ a intake claim, but more than a few LT1 guys on here have shown 260-270 rwhp from dead stock 6spd LT1s (I'd say 250-260 is more like the norm over the earlier quoted 230-240 anyway...), this guy could have one of the stronger LT1s as well. Even if it's only a somewhat average 255ish rwhp LT1, w/ a few bolt ons he could have enough to put a couple cars on a average Mach1 even if it's a 5spd... Certainly close enough that a superior driver could indeed make it a easy kill...
Oh and LS1s have an easy 40+hp at least over your average LT1...
Also, I don't buy his 307rwhp w/ a intake claim, but more than a few LT1 guys on here have shown 260-270 rwhp from dead stock 6spd LT1s (I'd say 250-260 is more like the norm over the earlier quoted 230-240 anyway...), this guy could have one of the stronger LT1s as well. Even if it's only a somewhat average 255ish rwhp LT1, w/ a few bolt ons he could have enough to put a couple cars on a average Mach1 even if it's a 5spd... Certainly close enough that a superior driver could indeed make it a easy kill...
Oh and LS1s have an easy 40+hp at least over your average LT1...
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Re: 03' Mach 1 vs. My 96'Z
Originally Posted by 2000GTP
My Moroso CAI didn't put me at 307rwhp... did you get a special edition intake or something? Or are you secretly running a electric supercharger and not telling us?
Or are you secretly running a electric supercharger and not telling us?