MY TB came yesterday, what a work of art!!
Thanks Dave.

Now for the tuning, I need to go back and see if I need to drill a hole in the butterfly to help the idle, does anyone know the diameter of the drill that is needed?

Oh, the Hurricane kicked our asses to put it mildly. Then the tornado's did even more damage. They twisted the tops of the trees and picked up stuff and just flung it. Roofs were lifted off houses in some areas. Tomorrow will make the 7 day mark and some people are still out of power! The lower income people are really hurting especially since they have just found out that insurance deductable is a percentage now and not a $500 flat rate. A $200,000 home with a 2 percent ded. is $4,000, OUCH! Some people have a 5% deductable and that is 10 grand before the Insurance companies pay a dime.
Oh and the Sherriff said he would arrest looters, but more than likely they will be shot first. They called in the National Guard to direct traffic so the Sherrif's could enforce the 8 PM to 6 AM lock down.

 

Thanks again Dave now get the group purchase on the cam going!

 

Dave (and everyone else at Cmotors), really appreciate everything you've done for me. The TB is awesome and so is your guys customer support. I have NOTHING but good things to say about you guys and i will def. recommend you guys to every f-body enthusiast i know. I still need a stall so i will contact you to see what kind of deal you can hook me up with

Brandon

P.S.- Ill keep you posted on how my stock bottom monster turns out

 

Are those that purchased the 58 mm TB aware they actually purchased a 57 mm TB? 2.257" dia.

 

WTF? Wouldn't this be better posted in tech and not the GP? You're riding CMS' nuts pretty hard there.

 

Are you actually aware that if you measured the TB to have a 2.257 inch openings... Then they're actually 57.328 mm. Still not 58mm, but then again CMS doesn't make the TB's , only hooks up buying customers with a helluva lot of awesome deals, so why knock them?

 

Absolutely NOTHIN' to do with CMS!!!! Time to wake up and understand what I am stating here.

No sh*t sherlock. Who stated that they (CMS) did? What on earth makes you think I'm knocking the 'middle man'? Obviously, a couple of guys are missing the point here!! It appears too many are in awe with the glitze and glitter, and forgeting about function. The person's *** being riddin UNNECESSARILY here is the messenger's (mine), for merely stating FACTS!!!

 

LOL.. okay dude..


You need to get laid. Seriously.

 

The lites are on, but apparently no one is home.
If you do not understand the intent of any post, ask, instead of guessing, and posting 'smart' (read disrespectful) remarks!!! I trust you understand THAT statement! SERIOUSLY.

(I've edited this post to include the post I was making reference to, so others understand what I am referring to, in case originator would decide to delete his post.) This isn't the first time such comments have been posted.

 

Anyway.....Dave at CMS organized a GP on a very respected/popular TB. How can I knock that? Well, I'm not. Dave, also apparently has not bothered to scutinize AS&M's work, but he doesn't have to, so I'm not knocking that either. A person should be able to accept, at face value, product identification, from a repitable company. But to knock someone who actually checks the/their work? What am I missing here? Am I to be considered bold, or maybe even arrogant to dare to scrutinize someone's work/product? Why am I being treated as someone 'rocking the boat'? It has become obvious to me, Dave is no different than (guessing here) hundreds of other AS&M owners, in not checking, or being aware of the actual specs. But doesn't it seem odd not one of these owners knows what is going on? Am I the only person that has bothered to check and note these revelations? As 'Ben' of AS&M had noted in one of our several phone conversations in recent history, this TB was designed over 10 years ago, and has been sold to customers since that time as well. Doesn't it strike anyone odd a rep of the AS&M is/was not aware of the actual bore dia. for their TB, or the legitimate documented fix for an apparent design blunder (IAC issue), which as been known for what... 4-5 years? Is it necessary to treat me with ridicule or disrespect for bringing this info to lite? I don't understand it! People/members now know MY side of the story.

Edit: Again, there is no such thing as a 58 mm AS&M TB. At least, up to this point in time anyway.

 

Yea.. You're right. Just a 57.328mm AS&M TB. Maybe they were all out of 58mm drill bits, and the closest they could find was a 2 1/4inch drill bit. And used it hoping no one would know.

As far as everyone knowing your side of the story. All that has to be done is begin reading this thread on page 3. From there, all of your posts have all been negative to both AS&M and CMS. You claim Dave was "putting a spin" on what you had typed about running a responsible GP. No.. What he did was read between the lines. Just as well as anyone else viewing the thread would've surely taken your post as a jab to CMS.

Considering the TB issue at hand. We've all learned over the years on how to make them work better as not to cause split BLM's and such. It's not a time consuming modification by any means. Nor is it very difficult. I guess I've been one to just roll with the punches though. I certainly wouldn't post up that my TB was .026 of an inch too small. I mean... WAAAAH My TB openings are a thumbnail thickness smaller than advertised. I'd just assume call it Accurate w/in .030 of an inch . I can almost guarantee you wouldn't be complaining if the TB was 59mm or even larger than advertised.


PS. Why would I delete my post? I got a sneaky hunch that all pessimists in this world don't get laid enough. Finding anything and everything to complain about.. To sue about.. The raise up their hands as if to ask.. "why me?"

 

I'll give ya this much Shawn, your personality is consistant.

Maybe that's the problem with some people, they spend to much time/effort attempting to read between the lines, in lieu of reading and absorbing what is actually typed/stated. Responsible people make an attempt to determine true intent, B4 making a public judgement call on someone's character. Or, better yet, give a person the benefit of the doubt, B4 receiving a clarifiation. Through PMs, Dave became aware of my true intent, although I can understand his initial personal reaction. Part of human nature.

.030" tolerance, that's pretty funny. Some people know alot about CNC machining, while others know next to nothin'. I consider it worth noting, that people recognize their limitations.

Also, apparently you don't consider it an issue when someone misrepresents their product. To some it is important, while others apparently don't care. To each his/her own, I 'spose.

 

Do you have any proof of these accusations? Or is it just heresay?

 

Wow. Do you ever have to replace your comma key on your keyboard? Just curious .

And as far as CNC machining goes. I do know a thing or two about tolerances. Even little tidbits such a plastigauge for bearing clearances and such. Saying +/- .030" for a TB's advertised opening is close enough to function normally, is all I was trying to say. Course, put into the grand scheme of things in hierarchy order... Say... a +.030 piston in a +.060 block = instant blowby .. Then tolerances become very important. But for a TB.. ehh... not so much.


<- One of the non carers apparently . It works, and works well, so I don't complain. I see a half full jug of racing gas.. Whooopeee!

 

Well, I'll be the first to admit, I have limitations.
BTW, I do have further communication scheduled soon, with AS&M. While some will state it takes a near act of God to get in contact with, or a response from AS&M, I find patience and courteous conversation to be helpful occasionally. Do I expect to reverse the rotation of the earth in the process? Answer: No. About all I can expect to accomplish, is to make others better informed, that's about it. I consider it a responsibility/obligation, if I am in the know, about/with info that may go against popular opinion, to post that info, if it may be helpful to others. Afterall, I've learned 'stuff' here from others.

The 'coup de grass' (tongue in cheek) for me personally, was observing the undersized throttle bore, in addition to being aware of the IAC issue. I'm not overly impressed overall. When I pay a 'cadilac' price for somethin', I realize I may not get a cadilac, but I don't expect to be cheated either. Again, no reflection on Dave. Afterall, through his GP, that cadilac price was softened somewhat.

I 'spose I can look at it this way; if elements in my world were perfect, this morning's breakfast wouldn't have gotten cold.