I may have to break down & try the stuff. I guess I'll talk to you more about it next week at Sonic's.

 

washed twice, but home many rinse offs? Or Z6's?


Avoid the Zaino trap 86...

 

Z6 hasn't been used since last zaino treatment, back in feburary... Heck remember I was trying to buy your Z6 of you a long time ago, I have been out for awhile. I think I keep the bottle too close to the car when I did coats.


Rinse offs...

I averaged once a week to every 2 weeks(depending on teh rain and pollen outbreaks) There were weeks, when people wanted to feel my paint, we wiped a small section of pollen off and touch the paint. But sorry no polish will prevent pollen on an outside car in FL.

all the rinsing really does is keep the thick layer of pollen off my car, no scrubbing or anything. I just spray it to get pollen build ups off... I am talking less then 3 minutes worth of work. I don't even dry the car.


I bet my wetness look woudl be better maintained if I used Z6 more... But I ran out of it went too overboard on my rims with it. It has lots of anti-static properties and I wanted to keep my rims nice "dust free"

I do admit the car isn't as smooth... the surface still feels smooth but it leaves a "Screech noise" when you rub your hand on it now, was super smooth and you had to try to get it ot make a noise.

 

What would you suggest for a black car that sits outside?

 

Then nothing must wow you.

Here is a phot on Sal's website. This was my personal custom 96 Crew Cab Dually. Black, ground effects, leather, loaded. In late 96 the truck was treated with 6 coats of Z5, 5 coats of Z2. This photo was taken in 98 and the only thing done to the finish was washing with Zaino wash. This truck stayed out in the brutal Florida sun 100% of the time.


http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/photos/truck.htm


I will say it again, for dark cars, nothing lasts longer, nothing shines longer, nothing else takes such little maintainance after the initial applications. There is no way that any other product is going to look that way after 2 years. The water still would bead, the shine was simply incredible.

BTW, just to get an idea of how clear and deep the shine is, the jet that you see in the reflection.... was over 50 feet away and is still clearly seen.

If you never try Zaino, you'll never know if the bad experience you heard about was improper application or some other factor. if you want, drive down to Sebring and you can see the cars sitting in my driveway that have been treated with Zaino. You can also try about every product out there because my garage looks like an auto parts store. I have tried most every product out there and have most of the unused on the back shelf. You're welcome to it. Every product has it's merits, with 25 years of detailing experience I just found Zaino is tops. Yes it's expensive and some don't think the expense is worth it. The same goes for Synthetic oil.........

 

Thats the thing I love about it. I mean this car is 10X's cleaner then all my other cars have been and I spend less work cleaning it, and it should be the hardest car I have owned to keep clean. Hell I KNOW I have spent more time arguing about Zaino online then I have actually keeping my car clean.

I feel my car looks great, maybe it doesn't work for all but it works great for me. Hell oce the townhouse I am going to live in gets built along with a garage, I am going to put a nice 8-12 coats of Z5, with Z6 on it. and top it off with Z2 for the protection. Most say that is the best way for dark cars, just slap Z5 on until happy with the look. Only times I have done Zaino is the 2 times I took my car to south florida, where I spent the whole weekend detailing my car(not just on the outside, my underhood look really good for a 4 year old car with ~40k on it, lots better then when I got it)

Main problem, is the shine of a car is subjective to the person that sees it. But to me, If my car is an 9.5, and a wolfgang, poor boys, klasse car is a 10. I'll take a 9.5 and enjoy that shine with the little work I do now. Have it last months on end then have to go out and redetail my car monthly(maybe more) But heck I think its almost a 10 now. My car now the shine has gone down a little bit, along with the smoothness but honestly feels smoother and shines better then anything I ever bought in a store.


I had always head great things abotu zaino, on f-body boards and all car boards... then I bought my car, Since it was a little cheaper then I was expecting to pay, I didn't put all my money on a downpayment, I took ~$600 out of it, dropped ~$90 on the ziano kit to try it out(rest went to other car cleaner stuff, few maintenance things and rims and tires) I was floored with how wonderful it was.

maybe the difference of me and what others have done, is I thoroughly looked up what I should do for best results(I am cheap, I shop at Big Lots refularly) as not to "waste" any of this stuff.

Heck if any of you guys know Joe, and the technique, work, and detail he is taking on my just my old car as his project car, you would know if he reccomends something like what product to use for detailing, you should really really take the reccomendation from him.

 

I'm glad you mentioned that and here is why it is that way:

Surface polishes and waxes have two ways that they can affect light transmission. Either to diffuse light by refraction or change directions by reflection. Waxes, being a crystaline structure require a chemical solvent so that it my be spread around thinly and evenly. When the solvents evaporate, wax returns to a crystaline structure and ends up refracting light waves. This gives the appearance of a glow due to reflection, but the light rays are scattered in a non directional pattern. This tends to blur minor surface imperfections and bring out a shine in the paint. This is almost identical to the using of filters in photography to hide skin imperfections. Problem is that each time the wax returns to a crystaline structure it hardens and can potentially do damage to the paint.

Zaino, being a different formula and contains no crystaline structured waxes, doesn't blur the minor imperfections, it literally relects the light from around the imperfection (swirls can even be filled) and the reflection is a more clear. The effect is less noticeable on lighter finishes. As an example, I don't use Zaino on my Cadillac DeVille. It is white, and the differance that Zaino makes on white to me isn't worth the expense of using it on that particular car. Instead I use a non wax polish like liquid glass or something comparable. Still looks good, doesn't last as long, much cheaper, etc... so an OK choice for a white car.

Funny thing is that before trying Zaino, I was pretty sold on a collection of my own blend of products. One product from one manufacturer, one from another and when used as a system, worked great. All that went out the window the instant I tried Zaino.

And no...... I'm not a distributer either. Yet !
And I think that will change when Eric's old car is finished.

 

All zaino tlak aside...

this pic on their website is just awesome...

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/...iesreflect.htm

 

Now that's what I am talking about! Look how clear the reflection is....... sharp lines, no light diffusing..... literally a more reflective surface.