What kind of numbers are people getting with this combo
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ryan-
that was just the straw that broke the cammels back and I didn't feel like sweet talking him any more. And its not just technical stuff. Most of the lounges "late night chat guys" want to shove shoes trough his face. I have been talking to him for a while and he never seems to get less irritating. Again, that on a private conversatio for a reason.
As far as the car, there are a number of responsiblities higher on the priority list and the frame is beyond ****ed at this point. Its going into anohter F-body, maybe a Y body. I had the frame twisted and torqued a bit and then a little accident that didn't set off air bags in a head on collision threw the "frame" completely out of wack
The hood sits about 1'' higher on one side 
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Unfortunatly I have too many responsiblities at this point (school, work, renting a house now and a slew of other things... The car is just on the back burner. With that said, its time to go make some shells and cheese
that was just the straw that broke the cammels back and I didn't feel like sweet talking him any more. And its not just technical stuff. Most of the lounges "late night chat guys" want to shove shoes trough his face. I have been talking to him for a while and he never seems to get less irritating. Again, that on a private conversatio for a reason.
As far as the car, there are a number of responsiblities higher on the priority list and the frame is beyond ****ed at this point. Its going into anohter F-body, maybe a Y body. I had the frame twisted and torqued a bit and then a little accident that didn't set off air bags in a head on collision threw the "frame" completely out of wack
The hood sits about 1'' higher on one side .Unfortunatly I have too many responsiblities at this point (school, work, renting a house now and a slew of other things... The car is just on the back burner. With that said, its time to go make some shells and cheese
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That's alot of bickering for two guys who are in exactly the same position... Neither of you have anything that matters.. some quoted flow numbers, but thats it. It might be a good idea to get some independent results before you proclaim how good or bad things are 
. Hell, I'm going to stop giving out flow numbers, all people want to do is race flowbenches - nevermind piles of dyno results, LOL.
As far as things going wrong.. hey, it happens regardless. What do you expect when a bunch of young guys tear into their first engine with advice from a bunch of people on the internet that are usually just repeating what they've heard? You aren't going to learn if you don't make mistakes - this is a spendy hobby. Hell, be happy he gave you anything if you opted against milling stuff after being advised to, y'know? It was just a mistake, isnt the first, wont be the last, be happy it was taken care of.
Prorac,
If the stock crank you have is fine, I'd just use it along with some 6" scat 4340 i-beams ($250ish), and "lightweight" .030 hypers from KB. The pistons should be a shelf item & are around 411g if i remember correctly. Stud the mains & put the rest of yer $ in heads & quality valvetrain parts. Cam specs would depend on what you end up with for heads & intended use, but I'd probably run something like a gm847, or a 236/242-110 xe grind & beat on it relentlessly. Done "right" a 25Xcfm head & a cam like that will make over 400rw SAE. Heck, I know Grease made that with the 847 on an old stock shortblock. Do some research, there's lots of good info floating about if you can get past the filler & "look at me, I'm smart too!" posts
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. Hell, I'm going to stop giving out flow numbers, all people want to do is race flowbenches - nevermind piles of dyno results, LOL.As far as things going wrong.. hey, it happens regardless. What do you expect when a bunch of young guys tear into their first engine with advice from a bunch of people on the internet that are usually just repeating what they've heard? You aren't going to learn if you don't make mistakes - this is a spendy hobby
. Hell, be happy he gave you anything if you opted against milling stuff after being advised to, y'know? It was just a mistake, isnt the first, wont be the last, be happy it was taken care of. Prorac,
If the stock crank you have is fine, I'd just use it along with some 6" scat 4340 i-beams ($250ish), and "lightweight" .030 hypers from KB. The pistons should be a shelf item & are around 411g if i remember correctly. Stud the mains & put the rest of yer $ in heads & quality valvetrain parts. Cam specs would depend on what you end up with for heads & intended use, but I'd probably run something like a gm847, or a 236/242-110 xe grind & beat on it relentlessly. Done "right" a 25Xcfm head & a cam like that will make over 400rw SAE. Heck, I know Grease made that with the 847 on an old stock shortblock. Do some research, there's lots of good info floating about if you can get past the filler & "look at me, I'm smart too!" posts
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Originally posted by Jeff Belloma
never heard em called "tosser" cams but what people call things from area to area changes up a bit doesn't it.
all cam grinders have similar rates of off seat acceleration but some are faster than others. harve crane coined the terms "minor intesnsity", "hydraulic intensity" and "major intensity". they basically show how much effective duration a cam has from one lift interval to another. the smaller the number the "better" the cam. well, that is how it reads but sometimes it aint true. it does tell you how fast the lobe is though and that can be important depending on what you have to work with. the biggest falacy out there though is that more lift on the same duration means more area off the seat. it doesn't always work out that way so comparing the minor intensity or one of these other variables is a good yardstick. and yeah, those comp elim cams and lift limit circle track cams are real buggers on parts. you definitely don't want one of those (or something like it) in your street car. the comp xe line is a good one though. doesn't mean that other companies don't do just as good a job but comp is easily accessible and very web friendly.
JB
never heard em called "tosser" cams but what people call things from area to area changes up a bit doesn't it.
all cam grinders have similar rates of off seat acceleration but some are faster than others. harve crane coined the terms "minor intesnsity", "hydraulic intensity" and "major intensity". they basically show how much effective duration a cam has from one lift interval to another. the smaller the number the "better" the cam. well, that is how it reads but sometimes it aint true. it does tell you how fast the lobe is though and that can be important depending on what you have to work with. the biggest falacy out there though is that more lift on the same duration means more area off the seat. it doesn't always work out that way so comparing the minor intensity or one of these other variables is a good yardstick. and yeah, those comp elim cams and lift limit circle track cams are real buggers on parts. you definitely don't want one of those (or something like it) in your street car. the comp xe line is a good one though. doesn't mean that other companies don't do just as good a job but comp is easily accessible and very web friendly.
JB
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thanks rich. i plan on hanging around a while and keeping off peoples toes.
as for the bs, i think good people sometimes get made out to be something they aren't by people who may not like they way they word things, personal grudges, you name it... just too bad.
later,
JB
as for the bs, i think good people sometimes get made out to be something they aren't by people who may not like they way they word things, personal grudges, you name it... just too bad.
later,
JB
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Originally posted by treyZ28
ryan-
that was just the straw that broke the cammels back and I didn't feel like sweet talking him any more. And its not just technical stuff. Most of the lounges "late night chat guys" want to shove shoes trough his face. I have been talking to him for a while and he never seems to get less irritating. Again, that on a private conversatio for a reason.
As far as the car, there are a number of responsiblities higher on the priority list and the frame is beyond ****ed at this point. Its going into anohter F-body, maybe a Y body. I had the frame twisted and torqued a bit and then a little accident that didn't set off air bags in a head on collision threw the "frame" completely out of wack The hood sits about 1'' higher on one side .
Unfortunatly I have too many responsiblities at this point (school, work, renting a house now and a slew of other things... The car is just on the back burner. With that said, its time to go make some shells and cheese
ryan-
that was just the straw that broke the cammels back and I didn't feel like sweet talking him any more. And its not just technical stuff. Most of the lounges "late night chat guys" want to shove shoes trough his face. I have been talking to him for a while and he never seems to get less irritating. Again, that on a private conversatio for a reason.
As far as the car, there are a number of responsiblities higher on the priority list and the frame is beyond ****ed at this point. Its going into anohter F-body, maybe a Y body. I had the frame twisted and torqued a bit and then a little accident that didn't set off air bags in a head on collision threw the "frame" completely out of wack
The hood sits about 1'' higher on one side .Unfortunatly I have too many responsiblities at this point (school, work, renting a house now and a slew of other things... The car is just on the back burner. With that said, its time to go make some shells and cheese
Ryan
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Originally posted by SkarodoM
As far as things going wrong.. hey, it happens regardless. What do you expect when a bunch of young guys tear into their first engine with advice from a bunch of people on the internet that are usually just repeating what they've heard? You aren't going to learn if you don't make mistakes - this is a spendy hobby. Hell, be happy he gave you anything if you opted against milling stuff after being advised to, y'know? It was just a mistake, isnt the first, wont be the last, be happy it was taken care of.
As far as things going wrong.. hey, it happens regardless. What do you expect when a bunch of young guys tear into their first engine with advice from a bunch of people on the internet that are usually just repeating what they've heard? You aren't going to learn if you don't make mistakes - this is a spendy hobby
. Hell, be happy he gave you anything if you opted against milling stuff after being advised to, y'know? It was just a mistake, isnt the first, wont be the last, be happy it was taken care of. trey how come you keep bringing up the username stuff? that your only defense in the arguement? hell ask jasond, he'll tell ya he deleted my other names. for what reason, i have no clue, certainly not screwing anyone over, ask anyone whos bought a product from me. If anyone asks who i was in the past, i tell them, nothing to hide here.
I find most of this board to be very valuable so i decided to make a new username. kinda hard to post from a non existant username eh?
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Winner,
I has "assumed" that you were happy with the money sent. I had never heard anything that would make me think otherwise ... . . . . . . . . . . . UNTIL reading this post and somehow Trey had been informed that my heads F***ED up your engine. I would obviously never had said anything so that leaves only one other person spreading this "WRONG" information.
As I have said, I do not know how the heads were the problem since there was no water in the oil and the only problem that you mentioned was metal in the oil filter. Since I am a nice guy (and since I noticed either YOU or someone else that is not checking clearances) was building the engine, I saw this as a good time to remove my name from further "catastrophe's" that you seem destined to have.
I had also assumed that the GENEROUS payment of $540 (probably the price for rebuilding the bottom end instead of repairing heads) would keep you from bad mouthing me but I was OBVIOUSLY wrong.
You were leaving out some IMPORTANT details and that is the only reason that I posted on this to begin with. These were the heads that you sent me, not heads that I supplied. I offered surfacing and told you of the small scratches from the dowel holes, you declined. There was no water in the oil so I doubt if that could have been your bottom end problem. You have been MORE THAN compensated and YOUR engine builder spent $540 on the heads (????) so they are "right" and my name has NOTHING to do with any other mishalps. That being said, you should have no further problems and if so, it is ALL on your engine builder (you??). Since everyone has alot more of the facts, there should be no reason to "bad mouth" me and sound like a victim.
I am done with this subject on this board and anyone that wants any further info can PM or e-mail me. I am glad the mods let this go on as long as it did so i can clear my name.
NightTrain66
I has "assumed" that you were happy with the money sent. I had never heard anything that would make me think otherwise ... . . . . . . . . . . . UNTIL reading this post and somehow Trey had been informed that my heads F***ED up your engine. I would obviously never had said anything so that leaves only one other person spreading this "WRONG" information.
As I have said, I do not know how the heads were the problem since there was no water in the oil and the only problem that you mentioned was metal in the oil filter. Since I am a nice guy (and since I noticed either YOU or someone else that is not checking clearances) was building the engine, I saw this as a good time to remove my name from further "catastrophe's" that you seem destined to have.
I had also assumed that the GENEROUS payment of $540 (probably the price for rebuilding the bottom end instead of repairing heads) would keep you from bad mouthing me but I was OBVIOUSLY wrong.
You were leaving out some IMPORTANT details and that is the only reason that I posted on this to begin with. These were the heads that you sent me, not heads that I supplied. I offered surfacing and told you of the small scratches from the dowel holes, you declined. There was no water in the oil so I doubt if that could have been your bottom end problem. You have been MORE THAN compensated and YOUR engine builder spent $540 on the heads (????) so they are "right" and my name has NOTHING to do with any other mishalps. That being said, you should have no further problems and if so, it is ALL on your engine builder (you??). Since everyone has alot more of the facts, there should be no reason to "bad mouth" me and sound like a victim.
I am done with this subject on this board and anyone that wants any further info can PM or e-mail me. I am glad the mods let this go on as long as it did so i can clear my name.
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I have a question as well, I am in the middle of building a stroker for my T/A and I have had alot of people badmouth the KB pistons (this is after I bought them ...lol) anyway this is what I have bought KB 16cc dish pistons, 5.7 inch H-scat rods, scat 3.75 stroke crank, I have 190cc mildly ported Afrs with 53cc chambers. I was going to go with a custom cam but I decided to put in a tubular K-member so my cash was limited, I came accross a custom used cam from a freind that is bassicly the cc305 grind with a 111 deg lobe sep, he says its been advanced 4 deg as well and that it has 540 lift on both sides instead of the 510, is the only way I can confirm this by installing it and dialing it in and measuring the lift at the valve or can I measure the lobe out of the block somehow? Would this cam make good power in a auto T/A?(if its as he says it is?) Forgot to add , is there anything special on block prep that I can have the Machine shop do or that I can do upon assembly? What about those KBs on a N/A motor?
Perry
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Dyno vid in signature. Read numbers in the bottom of the grey column when the camera zooms in on the monitor.
Eagle H rods
SRP pistons
11.3:1 compression
XE 230/236
255cfm@.550 lift
700R4 tranny
3200 stall converter
Dyno vid in signature. Read numbers in the bottom of the grey column when the camera zooms in on the monitor.
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Originally posted by NightTrain66
I has "assumed" that you were happy with the money sent. I had never heard anything that would make me think otherwise ... . . . . . . . . . . . UNTIL reading this post and somehow Trey had been informed that my heads F***ED up your engine.
I had told him that when it first happened, long before you sent money. Now hes just bringing it out cause hes got nothing else to make me look bad.
As I have said, I do not know how the heads were the problem since there was no water in the oil and the only problem that you mentioned was metal in the oil filter.
Thought I told you that, I'm almost positive i did or else giving me money didnt make since, so im pretty sure i told you that. I for sure told trey, why dont you ask him?
Since I am a nice guy (and since I noticed either YOU or someone else that is not checking clearances) was building the engine, I saw this as a good time to remove my name from further "catastrophe's" that you seem destined to have.
???? If you cant see that the heads are untrue, how am i supposed to?
I had also assumed that the GENEROUS payment of $540 (probably the price for rebuilding the bottom end instead of repairing heads) would keep you from bad mouthing me but I was OBVIOUSLY wrong.
Only bad mouthed you a little bit when it first happened, when i was pissed of. Never have since.
You were leaving out some IMPORTANT details and that is the only reason that I posted on this to begin with. These were the heads that you sent me, not heads that I supplied. I offered surfacing and told you of the small scratches from the dowel holes, you declined.
If i recall right, I ASKED you if they needed milling, you said they would be ok. Also, I would have though most people could figure out they were my castings when i mention no core charge. I doubt you are just handing out castings for free.
There was no water in the oil so I doubt if that could have been your bottom end problem.
Ya there was, and i told you this. I know that i did, or else why would you have given me money for something not related to the heads?
You have been MORE THAN compensated and YOUR engine builder spent $540 on the heads (????) so they are "right" and my name has NOTHING to do with any other mishalps. That being said, you should have no further problems and if so, it is ALL on your engine builder (you??).
Correct
I has "assumed" that you were happy with the money sent. I had never heard anything that would make me think otherwise ... . . . . . . . . . . . UNTIL reading this post and somehow Trey had been informed that my heads F***ED up your engine.
I had told him that when it first happened, long before you sent money. Now hes just bringing it out cause hes got nothing else to make me look bad.
As I have said, I do not know how the heads were the problem since there was no water in the oil and the only problem that you mentioned was metal in the oil filter.
Thought I told you that, I'm almost positive i did or else giving me money didnt make since, so im pretty sure i told you that. I for sure told trey, why dont you ask him?
Since I am a nice guy (and since I noticed either YOU or someone else that is not checking clearances) was building the engine, I saw this as a good time to remove my name from further "catastrophe's" that you seem destined to have.
???? If you cant see that the heads are untrue, how am i supposed to?
I had also assumed that the GENEROUS payment of $540 (probably the price for rebuilding the bottom end instead of repairing heads) would keep you from bad mouthing me but I was OBVIOUSLY wrong.
Only bad mouthed you a little bit when it first happened, when i was pissed of. Never have since.
You were leaving out some IMPORTANT details and that is the only reason that I posted on this to begin with. These were the heads that you sent me, not heads that I supplied. I offered surfacing and told you of the small scratches from the dowel holes, you declined.
If i recall right, I ASKED you if they needed milling, you said they would be ok. Also, I would have though most people could figure out they were my castings when i mention no core charge. I doubt you are just handing out castings for free.
There was no water in the oil so I doubt if that could have been your bottom end problem.
Ya there was, and i told you this. I know that i did, or else why would you have given me money for something not related to the heads?
You have been MORE THAN compensated and YOUR engine builder spent $540 on the heads (????) so they are "right" and my name has NOTHING to do with any other mishalps. That being said, you should have no further problems and if so, it is ALL on your engine builder (you??).
Correct
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you are right aaron,
I sit around on the forums, help people out, try to get their stolen crap back from people, help them with projects and marr your image. Thats why I am here.
I cant believe I ever gave into responding to your childish crap.
I never should have responded to this thread. you are full of crap and this thread needs to be locked.
Again lloyd, I appologize for any negative attention brought upon you.
I sit around on the forums, help people out, try to get their stolen crap back from people, help them with projects and marr your image. Thats why I am here.
I cant believe I ever gave into responding to your childish crap.
I never should have responded to this thread. you are full of crap and this thread needs to be locked.
Again lloyd, I appologize for any negative attention brought upon you.
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hmm, what am i full of crap about? exactly. nothing. everything ive said about this situation has been the truth. you dont even know half the story of this. lloyd is leaving out important parts of it. man, how can i come out decent with people who know know/tell the story? exactly I cant, however anything I have said has been the truth, i have no reason to lie, my new motor is already together, this is in the past.
I think you just took the comment about the price of your heads a little too seriously, and you had to bring this all back up to get revenge.
I think you just took the comment about the price of your heads a little too seriously, and you had to bring this all back up to get revenge.
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Originally posted by thewinner
I think you just took the comment about the price of your heads a little too seriously, and you had to bring this all back up to get revenge.
I think you just took the comment about the price of your heads a little too seriously, and you had to bring this all back up to get revenge.
i am through with this tread...
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