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Looks like there is a problem with the 918's after all

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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 03:29 PM
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if the people that are complaining about failures are as smart as Pat here, we have nothing to worry about because they definitly installed them wrong.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 96LT1TX
if the people that are complaining about failures are as smart as Pat here, we have nothing to worry about because they definitly installed them wrong.
Pat added some useful information to the thread, unlike yourself.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 96LT1TX
if the people that are complaining about failures are as smart as Pat here, we have nothing to worry about because they definitly installed them wrong.
Pat added what he has found......I wouldn't say he isn't smart b/c he couldn't type it well. He has a condition, so cut him some slack
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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Comp's stuff does suck. I've never had nothing but trouble with their stuff. My car has 918's on it now because thats what Bret spec'd for it. I think my springs are probably from 05 but I just don't care anymore. If they break they break, I don't want to work on my car anymore unless I have to.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by wrd1972
So what would qualify for hard proof?
25% failed
50% failed
51% failed
If 1% of output fails, I'd steer clear. In mass production, 1% failure is catastrophic. Ford, for example, sets their minimum fault tolerance for individual parts at 99.99966% (3.4 failures per million opportunities), under a quality program called Six Sigma. I'd be willing to accept less than that from an aftermarket performance part manufacturer like Comp, but I'd still expect something along the lines of 99.99% (one failure per ten thousand).
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 10:44 PM
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I run a big nuclear reactor. I understand the consequences of "failure rate". It must be 0.00000% for me. So take that into consideration with the remainder of my post.

You are talking about a valve spring here and a company that has provided you with leading edge performance products at a reasonable price along with pretty darn high production levels.

If the above poster ever runs his own business (unlikely in my estimation) then he may begin to understand that every owner gets "bit". Meaning you get screwed by circumstances beyond your control. You can be the "perfect driver" and have "AssHat Larry" T-bone 'ya while stopped at an intersection.

I have no affiliation with CompCams. But in my estimation they have done a superb job of dealing with sub-par products that slipped by QC and met the masses (a lot of people buy their stuff).

I understand that it completely sucks when you've spent time and money on a project only to have it ruined by a faulty part. But then again, life ain't perfect. Deal with it.

EDIT: My point is don't vilify CompCams. If you are worried about your product then call them direct, state your concern, don't sound like an idiot, and I'm sure they will help you.

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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Parker '96
I run a big nuclear reactor. I understand the consequences of "failure rate". It must be 0.00000% for me. So take that into consideration with the remainder of my post.

You are talking about a valve spring here and a company that has provided you with leading edge performance products at a reasonable price along with pretty darn high production levels.

If the above poster ever runs his own business (unlikely in my estimation) then he may begin to understand that every owner gets "bit". Meaning you get screwed by circumstances beyond your control. You can be the "perfect driver" and have "AssHat Larry" T-bone 'ya while stopped at an intersection.

I have no affiliation with CompCams. But in my estimation they have done a superb job of dealing with sub-par products that slipped by QC and met the masses (a lot of people buy their stuff).

I understand that it completely sucks when you've spent time and money on a project only to have it ruined by a faulty part. But then again, life ain't perfect. Deal with it.

EDIT: My point is don't vilify CompCams. If you are worried about your product then call them direct, state your concern, don't sound like an idiot, and I'm sure they will help you.
well said.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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And 96LT1TX sorry about the spelling. I have dyslexia. I was at work with no spellcheck and couldn't use my Dragon NaturallySpeaking. About smarts. I've been a tech for 25 years for the last five I've been doing nothing but drivability and electrical for a shop called Trail auto electric in West Palm we do work for other shops that have nightmare drivability meaning they've been at about four or five other shops before we get them we get paid very very well and are very well-known in West Palm. So I big to differ with the smart thing I do have dyslexia when I went to school 26 years ago. They didn't know what it was and didn't know how to teach me I can read perfect but my spelling sucks I spelled phonetically. The technical stuff we do at work would blow your mind. I feel sorry for you if you ever have a kid and has dyslexia. It lleast they know how to teach the kids with it now. Not when I was young . I talk to another person at comp they said the problem was in o6 they had a bad batch of wirer for the Springs. They said they tried to contact everyone that bought them from them. I don't know if I believe this. But I didn't buy mind from them and they are either going to give me new Springs or a credit now remember I did not install the Springs. Had them sitting around waiting for my build. I did buy mine in 06 they fully know about the problem and they are honoring up to it I just wanted to let everyone know this. I just don't know if I'm going to get the new Springs or get the credit I have a le2.2 cam and they only recommend the beehive Springs for this cam comp said they never used a different manufacture for the Springs so they say the new ones now are the same as the old ones before the problem I gone on the phone swore by this. Don't know if I believe this either. Has anyone used any other Springs with their le2.2 cam and how many miles since you install them. Some say the beehives don't last that long I'm going to build a forged street car that will be driven every day and need a spring that I can put some miles on it. Lloyd and Brett are still using the Springs and aren't having any problems at least this is what Lloyd says. They knew about the incidents with the batch of Springs in 06 and they're still floating around in different parts places. Sorry for the long post. My Springs are getting sent in tomorrow.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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The firestone ford explorer issue wasn't customer error. IT was the manufacturer installing a tires that they knew were faulty. The end result was a large class action settlment and a recall on the faulty firestone tires.
I'm pretty sure he meant that people who didn't know how to handle a blowout and offed themselves were more responsible for their actions than Firestone. It has been proven that any person who has at least 3 wits in their head can survive a blowout w/out rolling even a top heavy SUV.
Old Jun 13, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 96LT1TX
if the people that are complaining about failures are as smart as Pat here, we have nothing to worry about because they definitly installed them wrong.
You could use a lesson in spelling too.
Old Jun 14, 2007 | 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 96LT1TX
if the people that are complaining about failures are as smart as Pat here, we have nothing to worry about because they definitly installed them wrong.

considering some of the springs Lloyd has installed have broken, then i dont see every case being an incorrect install. Unless Lloyd somehow forgot how to install springs overnight.
Old Jun 14, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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Now this totally bows.... how the hell am I supposed to get these springs off and send them in. I mean WTF. I know I'll send 2 in at a time and go piston by piston... gees this blows... where can I buy Pacs? I eman of all the damn springs there are available out there, I have to install the ones that break? What the hell.

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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 12:55 AM
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Here's a link for the pac Springs Lloyd and Brett used these now don't know if comp came is telling the truth that there are still using them. But Brett said they are the original manufacture for comp cames Springs here's the link
http://www.racingsprings.com/Pictures.htm
they even call them the beehive Springs
Old Jun 14, 2007 | 04:57 AM
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Nobody is villifying Comp, at least not me. I work in a business where we strive for 0% failures dealing with systems a lot more complex than nuclear power plants. So, I deal with minimzing error every day and don't need to be talked down to. The problem from where I sit is how Comp is dealing with the problem, not that there is a problem.

Most of you guys are a bit young to remember Watergate. Nixon would have gotten away with it if he had come clean. But by saying nothing, Comp is making the situation worse.

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