Don't worry about me....

Let's all remember that untill good ole Mike started this crap with my pops this was a good thread about Lloyd.

Thank god Lloyd is more laid back than I am, cause I don't think I'd want to mess with him, I mean the man does have a grinder in his hands 8 hours a day.

I gotta say something good things about Lloyd too....

From the days of guys he formerly worked with talking smack about him and he never said ANYTHING bad back to them. That takes some real restraint, something I don't obviously have. I've only ever seen him tell one guy, "lets meet up and talk this over" when the guy had never met, or talked to Lloyd yet wanted to talk trash about him.

I'd also vouch for his dedication to customers, when I spent some time down on the ole Ranch in Red Oak, he spent a lot of time out of his day, stopped grinding and really helped guys out with their setups. Phone time costs you money, especially when it keeps you away from doing what you do that makes you money. Why do you think my number is not public.

One last thing that I really admire in Lloyd is his willingness to learn. It's a lot like Ayrton Senna the former F1 driver. That man never knew enough and he consistantly trounced people on the race track. The thrist for learning is the only thing that makes you a good in any part of this work, there might be schools like SAM out there but they can't teach you everything, and unfortuneately the only way you learn anything is thru a good boss or on your own. I have to say that Lloyd puts learning and turning out a product together more efficently than anyone else i've ever seen do this line of work. Most guys either just churn out parts or do R&D type development, not both. To do both takes a good balance.

Bret

 

I just did your cam I think.

I have two cams going to guys in upstate NY from Lloyd, I'm guessing you are the NA one?

Bret

 

Let me know when it does, I can wait.

 

Maybe you should go back and read the thread again. Your papi started crap with me! You may be backing your blood, but I don't see your blood backing you in this one. I'm guessing your papi knows his seeds fell far from the tree. It's too bad, I really wanted to learn some more Mark Twain. Now since you have my address you should send me my 25 bucks from the seals that you sent me. Paypal is Kreinmc@aol.com. I was paying you for your "expertise" and you sent me parts that don't fit! It's my fault that I try to put one of your cheap seals on my car and it breaks because you sent me the wrong parts?

 

Yeah, NA. Like I said fully forged 383 w/ -5cc flat top SRPs. Lloyd is porting the trickflows I sent him and my intake manifold as well. 6 speed, going with a 9 inch moser w/ 4.11s. Pretty much got all the supporting mods locked down, NSA 1.6 Pro Mags, Morel Lifters, CSR Waterpump, Cloyes adjustable double roller, Hooker supercomp LTs, cutouts, whatever else I can't think of right now. Definately looking forward to it. Any ideas at what I am looking at, when I was talking to lloyd he said 450+ with dyno tune was reasonable, spinning it kinda high, we kinda figured about 6700-6800

 

Can we get a MOD to delete these off-subject posts? Nobody mentioned you by name until you came in here causing trouble. I remember this issue was about 6 months ago, it has no relevance here.

 

I don't know if he knew he was calling you out, but obviously you thought he was. Hell he has a bad case of CRS even on the $15K motors in the shop and who they belong too when they come up in conversation, I'm sure he doesn't really care who you were, other than the kid who didn't think his cam specs were custom enough.

That's why this quote is so clutch...

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."---Mark Twain

I almost want to say he is a prophet with that quote so early on in the thread.

Your right he is a old man, he's probably passed out in his favorite chair sleeping to M*A*S*H right now, not really concerned with you.

Bret

 

Yeah man sorry about that.... I just can't give up.

BTW I have no problem with any of these BS posts being deleted. I'm willing to admit I step out of line.

 

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."---Mark Twain

 

He sent your pops pm?Thats jus not right sendin dirty Pm's.Its ok everyone gets it back in the end!!!!Jus sit back and injoy!!!!!!!!!

 

I didn't send anyone a PM!

 

God, I gotta get in on some of this fun. Most entertaining thread I have read in awhile. A couple of things first before I tell you about my experience with LE and Co.

There are some instances where I think you should pass a competency test before they allow you to have an internet connection. Some of the posters in this thread would fail miserably.

I spent 30 something years working for 'the man', kissing *** and worrying what I would do if I missed a paycheck. Years ago I chucked all of it and I TRULY, TRULY enjoy tell pompous, overblown, self-important gods unto themselves to pound sand. Makes me smile every time when I turn their business away. They can't understand it and never will.

Now the LE story. I have an Open Road Racer - '96 B4C. For those of you that don't know, Open Road Racing is when they close a state highway and run a rally type race for anywhere from 80-130 miles. We campaigned the car last year with some major handling mods but stock engine. This year we will be trying to average 140mph over the course with a max speed of 168 mph. Not to take anything away from you eigth and quarter guys, I know you punish your equipment. But think for a minute about doing it for 80 miles...........or more.

I contacted Lloyd via email in the Fall of 2005 about my special needs. He asked tons of questions as this was a new venue for him. We talked about average speeds, speed out of the corners, engine rpm's at various speeds, rear end ratios and more and more and more. I felt like he had a thorough understanding of EXACTLY what it was my special requirements were. I am local to Lloyd and had the pleasure of meeting him face to face to drop the heads and intake off. We went over everything and it was then that I realized not only was I going to benefit from his huge knowledge base but he had also talked to his machinist and Bret about these needs. So not only is Lloyd willing to do something special to fit my needs but he also brought his other guys in on it as well.

The car is at my engine builders right now getting the modified LE2 transplant. Am I confident I got the best deal for my money? Yep. Am I comfortable with LE and Company? You bet. When I picked the heads/intake up, Lloyd told me to have my builder contact him with any questions that might come up during assembly. Do I like his customer service??? No question there.

People vote their approval with their pocketbooks. Seeing the heads lined up in Lloyd's shop, waiting their turn, tells me yet again that he is turning out a quality product.

I know there are other places that turn out good products as well. I do not know if they have the integrity Lloyd does. My business is staying right where it is.

Andy

 

Good story Andy.

I really want to hear how that setup turns out for you and I'm sure Lloyd does too!

"There are some instances where I think you should pass a competency test before they allow you to have an internet connection."

I might add that to my sig!

Bret

 

Oh, now this is classic. You pay him for his "expertise", then don't run the cam he sends you? Wow, just wow.

 

Thanks Bret,

My daughter said Lloyd reminds her of a High School Shop Teacher - I thought that was fitting and appropriate. I will certainly let you know how it turns out. We have a dyno tune slated mid March and then the Texas Mile ( www.texasmile.com) the end of the month for additional sorting out.


Andy