Let's talk about valves
Calm down fellas, I accept any and all relevant tech info on this topic. I neglected to say that the heads have already been ported and polished along with the intake to match. I do not have flow numbers from the porting but will be getting them flowed prior to and after this round of work.
Also, It was my understanding that most stayed with the 2.00/1.56 combination since machining was not required? Could just be a false rumor I heard.
Either way, I'm going to be going with the 2.02/1.60 combo and am looking to make a purchase on the valves pretty soon. The heads are off so now I'm just looking for someone to do the machine work and flow them.
Also, It was my understanding that most stayed with the 2.00/1.56 combination since machining was not required? Could just be a false rumor I heard.
Either way, I'm going to be going with the 2.02/1.60 combo and am looking to make a purchase on the valves pretty soon. The heads are off so now I'm just looking for someone to do the machine work and flow them.
Yours sounds like a mild combo.Any of the big name brands makes a nice valve which will give good service. An undercut valve can have a significant effect on flow, so you should get them. For really extreme uses they are not recommended because the undercutting weakens the stem. But FWIW, even on my blown + N2O setup I am using them. The undercutting also reduces weight.
Light weight is good, but extremely light valves (like sodium filled) are not necessary for a mild buildup. The LT4 used them not so much because it was high rpm (the redline was only 6,400 if I recall correctly) as because they wanted to raise the rev limit and stick with a spring that could be installed without any changes to the heads. IOW, they were using a marginal spring which needed all the help it could get.
Rich Krause
Light weight is good, but extremely light valves (like sodium filled) are not necessary for a mild buildup. The LT4 used them not so much because it was high rpm (the redline was only 6,400 if I recall correctly) as because they wanted to raise the rev limit and stick with a spring that could be installed without any changes to the heads. IOW, they were using a marginal spring which needed all the help it could get.
Rich Krause
What is the length and diameter that I should be looking for?
Looking for 400rwhp with this combo....before I hit the button. I hear alot of good talk about the Manley's but hate to overpay for hype.
Looking for 400rwhp with this combo....before I hit the button. I hear alot of good talk about the Manley's but hate to overpay for hype.
Originally posted by OutKast
Looking for 400rwhp with this combo....before I hit the button. I hear alot of good talk about the Manley's but hate to overpay for hype.
Looking for 400rwhp with this combo....before I hit the button. I hear alot of good talk about the Manley's but hate to overpay for hype.
Interesting thread... 
FWIW, running even stock sized valves "without machining" isn't going to work very well. Nomatter what you do, you're going to end up paying for a valvejob - how labor intensive that is depends on what all is done.
As far as the 2.00/1.56's being wrong... think what you want, but there's no "wrong" really when talking 2.02vs.2.00/1.60vs1.56. The valves being larger than the seat can help in some ways, hurt in others, and not matter in most. Run what you want, but you'll be hardpressed to find a better valve than the Ferrea 6k 2.00/1.56 stuff in my opinion
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FWIW, running even stock sized valves "without machining" isn't going to work very well. Nomatter what you do, you're going to end up paying for a valvejob - how labor intensive that is depends on what all is done.
As far as the 2.00/1.56's being wrong... think what you want, but there's no "wrong" really when talking 2.02vs.2.00/1.60vs1.56. The valves being larger than the seat can help in some ways, hurt in others, and not matter in most. Run what you want, but you'll be hardpressed to find a better valve than the Ferrea 6k 2.00/1.56 stuff in my opinion
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Here's a cool link to a page about some pretty trick valve springs that I bought for my LT1.
They will supposedly eliminate as much valvetrain weight as Ti valves.
They will supposedly eliminate as much valvetrain weight as Ti valves.
Originally posted by SkarodoM
Interesting thread...
FWIW, running even stock sized valves "without machining" isn't going to work very well. Nomatter what you do, you're going to end up paying for a valvejob - how labor intensive that is depends on what all is done.
As far as the 2.00/1.56's being wrong... think what you want, but there's no "wrong" really when talking 2.02vs.2.00/1.60vs1.56. The valves being larger than the seat can help in some ways, hurt in others, and not matter in most. Run what you want, but you'll be hardpressed to find a better valve than the Ferrea 6k 2.00/1.56 stuff in my opinion
.
Interesting thread...

FWIW, running even stock sized valves "without machining" isn't going to work very well. Nomatter what you do, you're going to end up paying for a valvejob - how labor intensive that is depends on what all is done.
As far as the 2.00/1.56's being wrong... think what you want, but there's no "wrong" really when talking 2.02vs.2.00/1.60vs1.56. The valves being larger than the seat can help in some ways, hurt in others, and not matter in most. Run what you want, but you'll be hardpressed to find a better valve than the Ferrea 6k 2.00/1.56 stuff in my opinion
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OutKast, if you haven't already bought valves, drop me a line at mlgracing@comcast.net
I have a set of Ferrea valves that you might be interested in.
I have a set of Ferrea valves that you might be interested in.
Last edited by sseeya; Dec 1, 2003 at 08:19 PM.
FastZinTennessee - Comparing to some valves I've been seeing on ebay. Most say they are stainless. Take a look at the maddog valves on there and let me know what you think. I'm doing my best not to buy crappy ones yet at the same time don't really feel that I need those unobtanium supervalves either
SkarodoM - I don't think I said that the 1.56 is "wrong" but after talking to a few others I'm now starting to get the idea that there is little to no difference between going with the 2.00/1.56 vs 2.02/1.60
SkarodoM - I don't think I said that the 1.56 is "wrong" but after talking to a few others I'm now starting to get the idea that there is little to no difference between going with the 2.00/1.56 vs 2.02/1.60
Originally posted by OutKast
SkarodoM - I don't think I said that the 1.56 is "wrong" but after talking to a few others I'm now starting to get the idea that there is little to no difference between going with the 2.00/1.56 vs 2.02/1.60
SkarodoM - I don't think I said that the 1.56 is "wrong" but after talking to a few others I'm now starting to get the idea that there is little to no difference between going with the 2.00/1.56 vs 2.02/1.60
. The difference on whether i'd run one or another would be more an issue of longevity vs. performance than anything.
Sorry, didn't have the energy to read back and see if it was me that said it
Longevity Vs. Performance - Can you elaborate a little on this? Are you saying that the 2.02/1.60 will give better performance than the 2.00/1.56 yet the 2.02/1.60 will "wear out?"
Thanks
Longevity Vs. Performance - Can you elaborate a little on this? Are you saying that the 2.02/1.60 will give better performance than the 2.00/1.56 yet the 2.02/1.60 will "wear out?"
Thanks
Originally posted by 95 Z/28 LT1
Here's a cool link to a page about some pretty trick valve springs that I bought for my LT1.
They will supposedly eliminate as much valvetrain weight as Ti valves.
Here's a cool link to a page about some pretty trick valve springs that I bought for my LT1.
They will supposedly eliminate as much valvetrain weight as Ti valves.
Aaron
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