Give up already Joe, your not proving a point other than your an ***.

The only thing that this thread is serving is getting more hits on the CZ28.com server.

Bret

 

FWIW you both seem like a-holes and this BS is doing neither of you any good as far as business is concerned.

 

Yep I'm a ***.... self made and proud of it, or maybe I'm deemed that just because of where I'm at .But hey I'm use to it, comes with the territory. Now run along master cam designer I'm sure theres a lamb waiting for you to WOW them with your infinite wisdom and knowledge.. If I was only half as smart as you ,I would have been running 8.30's and not 9.30's last year. I mean damn if your so much better...You would have a cam head ls1 running 10.0's on pump gas, cam head n20 ls1 running 9.4's,cam only lt1 running 11.2, and a cam head lt1 running 10.8's just to name a few... But alas!!!! you don't!!! And whats really funny those times will be quicker and more cars like them by the time you pull your head out your a$$ and actually do something... This is hilarious ,thanks for the laugh been a blast... Difference between you and me is..I can talk smack and back it up!!!!

 

note post above..

 

This thread needs to be locked... it's really an embarrassment to what's left of the more hardcore LT1 community.

I doubt Bret has made tons of $ off me, as all I have purchased are two cams (one damaged due a failure on my part), and some valvetrain components, but yet I have probably over 100 PM's from the guy in my inbox where I pester him with questions and help... never complains, just helps out. And aside from these bickering threads, he has tons of posts helping people out w/ random technical issues in regards to engine assembly, etc.

Joe, your car is cool and all.. fast for sure, and there's definitely been some fast cars come out of your camp.. but the only time I see you come out of the woodwork anymore to have anything to say on this forum is when a LE/Ai/Bret Bauer discussion comes along to bicker with them. Gets old... self proclaimed *** or not, I'm not sure what you're trying to pull. And calling pretty much all LE/Bauer customers "lambs"? At least he's here to help...

 

Javier noted: but read back, Bret woke the sleeping dog here... Never have I posted in a forum here or anywhere did I ever claim to be better than someone else ...much less name them in a post ..unless it was in response to a post someone included me in...but thanks for your input.. Just because I have a status doesnt mean I have to be a gentleman, or lie down and say nothing...

 

I hear ya.. ideally it'd be nice to see ya both just drop it

You both are doing something right (regardless of what y'all think of each other).. and the community would be served better by ending this crap. It's not like it's **** talking that's ever going to come to a head it appears.. you guys keep stepping on each other's toes the same way in every thread and each time have the same response.. "Yep that hurt, let me step on him again the same way"...

As far as a car for them to back it up with.. gimme some time will ya?

 

How about Bret and Joe do what people want to see LE and AI do? Either use the same car, and the only thing that changes are the cam (springs..etc) and run it down the track.

On the other hand, we could do the same motor on an engine dyno. And the only changes are the cam springs..etc.

 

I've been in for that for a long time. Still am.

Bret

 

This needs to be locked, deleted, banned, etc. The bull**** online rivalry has gone on long enough and this thread has outlived its usefullness.

Joe has a fast racecar/trailer-queen. Most trailer queens are anywhere in the 7s-10s. No big deal there.

Bret has always considered himself the king of know-how and has forever used the CZ28.com community to promote his own "unestablished" shop. I've never seen anything impressive done by him.

Neither of these guys have contributed a red cent to the community in ways of monetary support by being a paying sponsor or EVEN a $10 "Avatar" user

Pick your poison.

 

What's your definition of impressive.... timeslip wise of course, taking a standard weight car into account of course.

 

I'll speak for Kraest. Cool Mike?

Over 120mph on a stock bottom end. I know of a JoeO convertible doing it with AFR heads. I don't know any Bauer cars doing this (I only know of one Bauer stroker motor with LT4 heads that dynoed 420ish and ran 116mph - Matt aka 96z. Andrew Coats car has a 306 cam and made 420ish-rwhp at 4900rpm with homeported heads . This was on the same dyno).

I think Bret has a great background of tech knowledge. I think Joe has a nice way about doing things: Prove it. I've seen Joe run at Thunder more than once. I've never seen a Bauer cam'd car run at all. I might have an unfair point of view.

Cam desing is a personal thing. Bret is always around here answering questions - acouple of mine for that matter. Joe is at the track spanking LS1s. Whichever one suits your personality suits you best is who you should go to. Personally, I think its unfair to call the fastest NA LT1 car out without having a car to put it in its place.

I'll put a plug in for Larry Ross . I think he's a sharp, extremely old 'dude. j/k 'Dude!

We all want the same thing, guys . Let's let our track numbers do the talking. These days, dyno numbers seem to be liberal. I've whooped mulitple 400rwhp cam only LS1s at the track running 112 .

I enjoy some smack talking, myself. Probably because it makes for great matches at the track.
Ryan

 

I won't take sides in this deal, but I think you underestimate this "trailor queen." you learn real quick that slapping expensive parts together doesn't make a fast car. Take your 116mph 396, for example .

Ryan

 

Actually, the 396 went 120 mph with the 6-speed at 3870 lbs on ported LT1 heads and a ported LT1 intake manifold. That 396 was far from race orientated and it was a DEFINITE mistake that I made at very young 21 years old. I got suckered. I'm 6 years older now

Actually, it went 12.02@114, on ET Streets and a 1.77 60' with the crummy auto and stock injectors and fuel pump, but that was 6 years ago... way before they had alot of "fast" LT1s out there.

Mike

 

JoeO: Bret, you suck.
Bret: Joe, you suck more.

The next day............
JoeO: Bret, you *really* suck.
Bret: Joe, you *really* suck more.

Jesus, like two grade school kids in a schoolyard. Take it to private mail guys. Mods, put us out of our misery and lock this thread.

FWIW, I have a package from one of you in my car. The childish posturing from grown men leaves me scratching my head. As far as I am concerned, irreparable damage has been done re: future business. Perhaps you should consider the impact of that statement. Maybe I am alone in that opinion and maybe I'm not. Time will tell I guess.