***Ai 383R long block with TFS 215 heads goes 9.6@139.9mph NA ***
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And, next year's event will be event bigger and better! I'll be there to race again next year and encourage every LTX person to be there.
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No I said the parts that Rick runs are the same as anything you could buy through Ai. Rick bought a crate engine from Ai to run in his car that was complete, tuned and ready to go. You could purchase that same engine and be making 550rwhp through an auto if you so desired.
A 9 second car is much different than a high horsepower motor. You can have either or both, but the power doesn't garuntee the ET.
And as for the very quick car on the street, I have a feeling you have never driven a very quick car on the street or raced one at the track. 550rwhp is going to be LOUD, aggressive and will break the tires loose at 60+ mph. That kind of power can break many parts at the worst times.
Cruising with a fast car is nice, but trying to go to work isn't as fun in one.
A 9 second car is much different than a high horsepower motor. You can have either or both, but the power doesn't garuntee the ET.
And as for the very quick car on the street, I have a feeling you have never driven a very quick car on the street or raced one at the track. 550rwhp is going to be LOUD, aggressive and will break the tires loose at 60+ mph. That kind of power can break many parts at the worst times.
Cruising with a fast car is nice, but trying to go to work isn't as fun in one.
This is truly a Street/Strip engine
Sure, you can drive a fast car on the street safely... it just won't run 9.64 @140 MPH from the red light to Wendy's. It's going to need a track for that.
The Ai 383-R is a turn key engine & ECU package, not a typical cam and heads package and mail order tune. However, the Ai TFS 215cc CNC head is the same port regardless of customer. So, no, you will not bolt on these heads to a stock 200,000 mi. short block, 4:10 10 bolt, 2,500 rpm converter on a stock A4, and get the same performance/ reliability.
The Ai 383-R is a turn key engine & ECU package, not a typical cam and heads package and mail order tune. However, the Ai TFS 215cc CNC head is the same port regardless of customer. So, no, you will not bolt on these heads to a stock 200,000 mi. short block, 4:10 10 bolt, 2,500 rpm converter on a stock A4, and get the same performance/ reliability.
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I don't know about that comment time comment. In my opinion Ron/Phil are honest guys with integrity so if they say that the heads are the same I believe them and if they advertise crate engines that deliver( Ai .357R - 570hp / 465-500rwhp SAE
Ai .383R - 630hp / 530-560rwhp SAE
Ai LTx13 - 7XXhp / 600-650rwhp SAE)
I take it as a STATEMENT OF FACT.
Now as for value for the money Ron and Phil have spent more time with me than I thought they would, especially for the relatively small amount of money I spent with them.
Mike
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The truth about Joe O's car
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
Not converted heads or well under 3000 pounds
Give the man his props, he did this a few years ago, as did quite a few others so it's nothing magic, it's a combination of time and money
Props to AI and Rick for putting together a great package
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
Not converted heads or well under 3000 pounds
Give the man his props, he did this a few years ago, as did quite a few others so it's nothing magic, it's a combination of time and money
Props to AI and Rick for putting together a great package
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The truth about Joe O's car
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
Not converted heads or well under 3000 pounds
Give the man his props, he did this a few years ago, as did quite a few others so it's nothing magic, it's a combination of time and money
Props to AI and Rick for putting together a great package
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html
Not converted heads or well under 3000 pounds
Give the man his props, he did this a few years ago, as did quite a few others so it's nothing magic, it's a combination of time and money
Props to AI and Rick for putting together a great package
I mean really 3019Lb race weight - 200lb estimated driver = 2819lb car. (That fits my definition of well under but to each there own)
As for converted heads, I guess I will defer to the horses mouth:
https://www.camaroz28.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=37
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I hope you guys aren't hating on the man......he did that what 6 years ago...
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Not a matter of hating, it is an impressive setup, BUT IMO Rick's is still more impressive. Sort of like the 4400lbs Impala that goes mid 9s on a 4L60E, 8.5" rear and stock computer, may not be the fastest but when you look at what he is working with he is doing something better than most.
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Who cares about streetability honestly? Your out to build a fast car when you order up a combination like AI is pushing here lets be real.
I don't know Joe O. personally but his accomplishment 6 years ago speaks volumns for the man knowledge.
I don't know Joe O. personally but his accomplishment 6 years ago speaks volumns for the man knowledge.
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I got to agree with that. If you built a car that runs in the 9's streetability wasn't a concern when you were building it..
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Streetable is a term that is used very loosely and everyone has an idea of what a streetcar should be. I am sorry but if the car doesn't get driven at all then it's no since in saying this combo would make an awesome street setup when it's never been run on the street. I always built my car to remain streetable and have been 9.80's, 3.55 gears out back, tight converter, exhaust etc... but everybody really only cares about how quick the car is no matter if it's driven or not. I have decided that I would not add a 10 point cage to make my car legal to run 9's b/c it would make the car very hard to cruise in and I don't want an all out racecar yet. This car is impressive but streetcar it's not. JMO Later Clint
