If I buy a Camaro, it'll have a V8.

 

Woah. Maybe you don't know just how big of a Camaro fan I am...so I'll let you slide on that.

I'll tell you some things that I think hurt Camaro's image though....well never mind, we'll need a whole new thread for that!

At any rate....is the Camaro's image so delicate, so fragile...that doing something slightly different, (we're not talking about an AWD crossover Camaro, after all), than what has been recently done, would really hurt it ....or will it actually help it!?

Is offering a powertrain (IN ADDITION TO THE TRADITIONAL V8 AND V6 MODELS),that GM plans to promote as a performance alternative, that would also interest younger and new entry level buyers in a Camaro so bad? I don't think so.

Personally...it's not a Camaro that "I" would necessarily buy....but then again, I'm not in the market to buy 100,000 Camaros either.

 

You know, I was just thinking about what could fall in between a V6 and a 4 banger.................what about the Turbo I-5 that is supposed to come out. That would definatly be different and I bet that the numbers would be pretty impressive and since it is not an I-4, Camaro people won't cringe at the thought of it and maybe the import people will see it as one step up from the run-of-the-mill 4 banger. Maybe it could be a new model between the RS(still hoping for a smaller V8) and the base V6 model.

 

PEACE!

 

First of all, the only 5th Gen Camaro I will ever buy will be the V8 model. Does that mean I think the Camaro should be V8 only? Hell NO!! Most people here seem to not get it, in order for us V8 Camaro fans to have a inexpensive V8 Camaro we need a cheaper non-V8 Camaro. The base Camaro and RS should compete for sales with the RSX, Eclipse, V6 Mustangs, Tiburons, and WRX. These people don't want a used 1st or 4th gen Z28, they want a sporty new car that is fairly quick.

If they can make a S/C ecotec Camaro that is faster that the V6 mustang than I have no problem with it.


engines I would give the OK for the base model.

240HP S/C 2.2L ecotec
245HP 3.9L OHV V6

engines I would give the OK for the RS model.

315HP turbo 3.5L DOHC I5 (from the bel air concept)
285HP S/C OHV 3.5L V6 (from the G6 concept)
300HP S/C 3800

 

Just keep it simple and use the same old 3800 but add a blower.

240~ HP is fine for a base model. Kinda sucks to lose to a 3.5L Altima though.

 

You're right... a 4cyl blown Camaro WOULD bring new buyers who wouldn't have looked at a Camaro in the first place...

But... how many people would it turn away because of that same engine?

I wouldn't even consider the car. My F-Body doesn't buzz nor do I want it to.

Also, it's kind of unfair to compare the 20th TTA with a charged Ecotec... keep in mind the popularity of the GN/GNX before the TTA was released.

The HP/Torque of the GN/GNX/TTA was amazing considering ALL of the alternatives.

How many 200-250 HP 4cyls/6cyls are out there now? Too many. Also, last I checked no one is dropping their jaws because of this 'charged Ecotec.

No thanks. Gimme that good 'ol V8.

 

I say S/C the V6 in the RS as an option instead.

 

I say stay away from the 4. Do Camaro owners really want their car to sound like an import?Nope, no fartcans for us. I do like the idea of the turbo I5 though.
I'd say N/A V6 at 230 hp, 18-21k fully loaded
RS Turbo I5/ S/C V6 285-325, 23-25k fully loaded
N/A V8 Z28/SS 370-390hp, 28-32k fully loaded
Turbo OHV/DOHC V8 Z28/SS/make ZL1 regular production model if possible ~450+hp. 36-39k fully loaded.

Those seem to be reasonable figures (on the low side too) and priced to be a level up from each other where its an upgrade. I see each model being at least a 3-4k gap if not more though especially the highest model. I'm sure it would cost more than I speculate though.

SS can be a possible appearance package or production model if used. Thats enough differentiation and a wide range of possibilities and it can be done in a reasonably priced manner I think. I also have a lot of concepts floating around my head to. There havent been any yet that make me want to buy a new Camaro, need to make some...

 

S/C V6 Just say no to Eco

 

I don't think it would turn away any people, its not like they would be making that the only engine. Would you not buy a 390HP Z28 or SS because you don't like the engine they offer in the base car? I will also only be buying the V8 car no matter what GM puts in the base and mid range Camaro. I'd personally like to see a 240HP V6 in the base and a 300HP Forced induction motor (I5 or V6) in the RS or midrange car. If they do decide to go with a S/C I4 I won't mind as long as it puts out very competative performance #'s

One thing that I do hope they do is add a Forced Induction engine under the V8. I think this is important to capture a new segment of the market. hopfully it will be a S/C V6 or Turbo I5 and the price won't be too high.

 

how bout this?
jus throw the new 3.5L or the 3.6L in for a v6
they make...hmmm let me think..250hp roundabouts, maybe a lil more, i cant remember.
and they can stay n/a which is always a good thing

 

That just doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying people won't buy a V8 Camaro if another engine they don't like is available. That's like saying " I won't buy a black Camaro because they have a shade of red I don't like".

Splain it to me.

 

i think he means, it would be like downgrading a great car
it would be making itself more of a majority car, which the camaro is not
it makes its appeal to a minority of people, not everybody
i dont know how to "splain" it really

 

So, you're saying "hardcore enthusiasts"would find this (a powertrain that appeals to different car enthusiasts), so bad that they wouldn't buy a 400hp V8 over it? And you're afraid Ford fans would make fun of us? Am I understanding you correctly?

I could see if you said adding another powertrain package would cost too much, or it would overlap too closely with a V6 to be practical. But if they went and actually did it....and executed it correctly, do you really think no one would be interested in buying it?