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Why is the Ute not being called the Chevy El Camino? Consider this.....

Old Aug 29, 2007 | 11:53 AM
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and for those that bring up the "Sprint" name, Chevy and Geo had a Sprint for a while also.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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one of the problems with the modern GTO is that it had no Tempest or LeMans to compare to. The El Camino covered all ranges.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 12:07 PM
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The GTO looked like a grand prix so everyone compared it to one.
There is nothing stateside that looks like the Ute so there wouldn't be that comparison. It would be more natural to compare it back to the old el caminio.
What are you talking about? The ute will be a G8 with a bed instead of back seats.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Just a thought
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 12:44 PM
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Just a thought
I gotta say, it doesn't look bad.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 01:01 PM
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I think it would dilute the GMC brand.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
I gotta be honest - I just don't see this thing taking off in the US regardless of what it's called. The mid-size pickup truck market is already weak, and four doors seems to be the minimum for any truck nowadays. A two-door two-seat RWD car with a pickup bed seems like the very definition of "niche market" to me, especially if the engine offering will be limited to a single high-HP V8.
Interesting point. A few years ago I was considering buying a truck and was primarily looking for an extended cab.

If I were to buy a new truck today, I'd buy a Silverado Crew cab. Why? First of all I think the new Silverado Extended cab looks a bit awkward compared to the current crew and the previous design extend version. Secondly, it just better fits my needs.

Old Aug 29, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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I could have used an Ute today. Was transferring some benches to my school, took 3 trips. I only made 5, damn Taurus.

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The headlights are still Holden/pontiac-ish, chenge them, alittle more square like how the SUVS are
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaron91RS
... Pretty much a useless pickup with a big engine, kind of like the SSR.
May sell a little better then the SSR because of the lower price(assuming) but not going to be a big seller...
Actually, I always saw the S-10 pickup sort of a follow on to the EL Camino. The original 'Camino was actually a very functional light duty hauler that fit perfect for a lot of folks that needed to make a run to the local hardware store.

Fast forward 25 or so years and the suburbanites of today would actually get great use for their runs to Lowes or the beach.

If anything, I'd think it would fit the average consumer more than the Colorado (or most other compact pick-ups) since it would have a better day-to-day ride, better fuel economy (depending on the configurtation) and, without a doubt, more style!

As for the original question, the GTO had a bit of an identity problem as mentioned relating to the Grand Prix. As for the UTE, there's no doubt it is an El Camino in more modern trim! I do agree that the lines may need to be a little more "American" (read blocky) vice the sleeker euro feel of the UTE but that's only personal opinion.

The GMC PS above is an excellent rendering and I'd think it would fit well right next to a Acadia or Yucon. Hell when the kids leave, I'd thank about swapping the Avalanche for one- just offer an LS3 Denali version!
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Well I suppose they could put a bowtie on it & bring it over. However to avoid comparisons to old cars they should call it the El Segundo! :P
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
I think it would dilute the GMC brand.
Killing the "Jimmy" name already started that process, and the Enclave is moving it forward quite nicely. If this thing was launched as the Caballero, it'd be a step back in the correct direction.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 11:41 PM
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I'd have to agree with those who think there is not a huge market for this car. There just is no segment for it. It might take off, or it might be the next Suburu Baja.

This assumption actually supports bringing the car over as is. If there is actual interest in the concept, it will get some buyers or at least some reaction. Then GM can design a "proper" El Camino and disgruntled enthusiasts would forgive and forget (just as Goat fans would if they got the car they wanted). And if it bombs, than at least GM has put in the least investment possible.
Old Aug 30, 2007 | 02:36 AM
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With the current political climate, is it wise to use the El Camino or Caballero name anyway?
Why's that?

Is it politically incorrect to name one vehicle a "Gentleman", and the other one "The Traveller"??
Old Aug 30, 2007 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jg95z28
Interesting point. A few years ago I was considering buying a truck and was primarily looking for an extended cab.

If I were to buy a new truck today, I'd buy a Silverado Crew cab. Why? First of all I think the new Silverado Extended cab looks a bit awkward compared to the current crew and the previous design extend version. Secondly, it just better fits my needs.

And you make a key point. You are looking specifically for a truck. You want a Silverado because it fits your needs.

Me, I've often carried things in the back of my Camaro that I would rather have not. At the same time, I don't see or want the drawbacks of a pickup truck, nor do I need a pickup bad enough or use it often enough to tolerate those drawbacks over a car.

I don't want the bulkiness, the-far-worse-than-a-car fuel economy, and the above traffic perch. also, regardless as to how modern engineering makes them feel like they can handle like cars, physics won't be denied. Plenty of people found out the hard way.

If you want to haul big things and need alot of room, you're going to buy a pickup truck. If you're going to haul 4 people around comfortably, you're going to buy a roomy sedan. But how many are ready to say that because of roomy sedans, coupes & 2 seat sports cars shouldn't exist?

Same holds true with the Ute.

Using a Silverado as a yardstick to measure a Ute just because it has a bed is like using a G6 droptop to measure a Solstice simply because both are convertibles.

Like a Corvette or Camaro, a Ute is not going to be for everybody.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 05:09 AM
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Just a few things to note guys.

The crewman is dead. DEAD! Holden is no longer sitting on a pile of cash wondering what to do with it, so they wont redo it for the VE. Production simplification is also part of this.

The Ute isn't a G8 with a bed. It is a Holden Statesman with a bed. Despite everything I had read about the VE ute being base on the SWB Commodore it has the same wheel base as the LWB Statesman.

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