There's more to an SS than you are listing.

Yes, the spoiler may or may not have added signifcant cost, because it'd replace the other, but I'd be willing to bet that 17" wheels cost at least a little more than 16"ers just because of material used, if nothing else. Add to that the definate cost of the upgraded 17" tires.

The 'semi-functional' hood scoop and corresponding air intake box and assorted pieces would cost more.

Then we have the different exhaust and suspension components.

All this stuff adds up.

And at the end, if they do just integrate these into Z28, they lose their lower end V8 price point, PLUS lose a big dollar add-on package that made them more money.

 

I am talking about the 69 Camaro with the ZL1 it was a 427.

 

Here's the problem: Take a 2002 Z28. Now, pull the emblems off. Without hearing it, how many people would actually know it was a Z/28?

It's kind of silly to say things like 17" wheels and better styling would significantly raise the price, since they are pretty much the price of entry into the sports coupe market. If they make another plain jane anonymous Z/28 - count me out. I don't care how cheap it is.

 

Man Werm, this is really starting to scare me. Of all these posts, the only ones that make sense are the ones coming from a Mustang owner.

Also, I see a lot of reality vs. ideality getting mixed up here. A lot of people are posting what they want the car to be priced at, and very few are posting what they think it will be. To be competitive at all, GM will need to price it somewhere in this range:

V6 = low-$20,000's
Z28 = $26,000 - $28,000
SS = $30,000+

I am one of the ones who does not believe in an SS, but apparently this is the way of things for GM right now. Hopefully, GM will get a clue and actually offer something for the SS package, which anyone who doesn't own an SS knows that 99.9% of it is appearance. Yes, it makes a little more HP, but not enough to compensate for an idiot behind the wheel.

 

Believe it or not... I actually perfer the Z28 name, and agree that this stuff should have been incorporated into the Z28... probably from the get go in 1993.

However, I think if you look at the price offering of the Z28, you have to tack on the cost of materials for the SS upgrades... GM isn't going ot just give them away for free.

I am just offering potential upsides to the path GM chose. It left a very affordable V8 in the lineup, and offered a big buck option to the Z28 in the SS package....

In thoery, you'd think this would have made everyone happy... you can get your cheap V8, or you can get it with more bells and whistles in the SS...

 

If it HAD to be that way again, which it shouldn't, switch the Z28 and SS. If the Z28 is looked at as a peice compared to the overpriced Z28 again, there's gonna be a problem. Camaro and Corvette = Z top cars. The others can have the generic SS.

 

This is precisely the bone of contention.

Z/28, is not, was not and should never be, merely the cheapest, plainest, bottom of the line, entry level V8 model.

 

We can re-hash this whole thing all over again... but...

Fact: Z28 WAS the cheapest Camaro V8 in the line up from 1996 to 2002.

Fact: Z28 WAS lower then the IROC-Z during the IROC-Z's 1985-1997 run, and did not exist from 1988-1990, dash plaque or no dash plaque.

And saying it was superior to the SS back in the classic years is clearly open to debate and one's definition of "superior" in automotive terms.

 

Yes. It was.


So, is that the way it should always be?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darth Xed
Fact: Z28 WAS the cheapest Camaro V8 in the line up from 1996 to 2002.

And.....?? GM is good at changing things, let them change to make something right for once since they did it wrong for 7 years and fix the revisionism.

Fact: Z28 WAS lower then the IROC-Z during the IROC-Z's 1985-1990 run, and did not exist from 1988-1990, dash plaque or no dash plaque.

Uh, the IROC-Z is a Z28, says it clearly on the interior and emblems of every 85-87 and on the dash and ordering RPO of every 88-90 IROC. It never left since the full name was IROC-Z28. Just an upgraded Z28 that commemerated the Z28s being used in the races, it's so simple.

And saying it was superior to the SS back in the classic years is clearly open to debate and one's definition of "superior" in automotive terms.

It was superior, except for 1 thing, displacement, and still it had more HP, which was underrated of course.

 

I dunno... Maybe, maybe not... depends on what Chevy has in store for the 5th Gen Camaro, really. I'm just pointing out that it was not always the top dog as was stated.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by IZ28

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Fact: Z28 WAS the cheapest Camaro V8 in the line up from 1996 to 2002.

And.....?? GM is good at changing things, let them change to make something right for once since they did it wrong for 7 years and fix the revisionism.

Just pointing out the facts... not the fiction.

More fiction. It was NOT called IROC-Z28 it was called IROC-Z .

Add to that the fact that every 4th Gen SS is a Z28 with the SS option, and you lose even more points. Look at ANY 4th Gen window stciker. It is a Z28 with an SS Perfformance and Appearance package. PLUS the early 4th Gen SS's were actually called Z28/SS's... SLP even had floormats with Z28/SS stitched into them!! Are you OK with these cars? Quit complaining about things that are apparently OK to you in the 3rd Gen but the EXACT SAME THING is the ultimate evil in the 4th Gen!

Like I said... matter of opinion.

 

Really....I never cared too much for all that IROC naming business.

But, if you read interviews of the period, with Chevy's Ralph Kramer, Don Runkle (Chevy chief engineer), Sam Cataldo (Camaro/Caprice chief engineer).....the creators of the IROC-Z.....their intent was to create the "ultimate" Z/28....and of course try to tie it in with the IROC series that Chevy was sponsoring.

Like I said, I wasn't too crazy about the name....but as Cataldo described the IROC: "It was the Z/28 fulfilled".

And that's really the difference, IMO, between the IROC-Z and the 4th gen SS. The SS was not an attempt to to create the "ultimate" Z/28.
No sir. In fact, this new SS required the Z/28 to give up some of it's defining characteristics, ( agressive wheels/tires, hood scoop, etc.).....in order for it to succeed.

The IROC was envisioned to kick the Z/28 up a notch.......the 4th gen SS was envisioned to suck the Z/28 dry of any desirability.


That's the difference.

 

But.... SS did not "take anything away" from Z28 at all! It added to it... just like IROC-Z did.

4th Gen Z28's had everything they had before SS debuted.... just like the 3rd Gen Z28 when IROC-Z debuted.

And the ironic part of it all is that IROC-Z actually killed off Z28 for 3 years... SS never did that!

 

Maybe not....but it sure stopped developement of the Z/28 brand name in it's tracks.

Three 10 cent emblems....do not a Z/28 make.