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Old Dec 12, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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As a result, the site owners have gone from nobodies running a website in their basement to people receiving "perks" from GM. Kinda hard to give that up, I suppose. So to protect their own personal interests, they turn their backs on the people that got them there in the first place for fear of losing this newfound status.

As I said in a previous thread on this topic, at some point a website needs to think about who it's in business to serve: its members, or some corporation. Apparently this site feels that its higher calling is to serve GM's wants and desires, not the members.
I'm sorry... but all of the statement above strikes me as a patently false and emotionally driven supposition. It annoys me to see a member making such accusations against folks who I've seen no evidence to suspect, IE those running this site.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 06:48 PM
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Actually, I would argue it wasn't and isn't luck which let this site grow to be one of the biggest and the best, it is through careful management and well thought out decisions.

Also, you couldn't be farther from the truth about the owners protecting their own personal interests. How the heck do you know what they do or don't get from anyone due to this site, status or anything else?
This I agree with.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

Originally Posted by Pentatonic
I wonder if the Mustang boards are like this?
Not from what I have seen, except in the political forum at the Corral
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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Well I guess theres one thing we can be positive about...If the info was sensative enough to get pulled, then MAYBE there was some validity to it. If thats the case, theres no reason to get bent out of shape about all of this. Seriously, now we have one more piece of info that confirms that one day (probably about 3 years from now) there will be a thread posted in this forum entitled "GM Announces New Camaro!". for me that enough to celebrate. You guys can't blame Jason for wanting to keep everthing on the up and up around here.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
I'm sorry... but all of the statement above strikes me as a patently false and emotionally driven supposition. It annoys me to see a member making such accusations against folks who I've seen no evidence to suspect, IE those running this site.
Not emotionally driven at all. Maybe worded a bit more bluntly than necessary, I'll concede.

The point is, why the change in philosophy? 2-3 years ago a post like TED's would have been wonderful news greeted enthusiastically by all and gone into 8 pages. Even a couple of months ago the internal designation for the Chevy Coupe was posted and things were fine. Now that kind of stuff gets censored. What's the motives of the admins if (as they stated) TED's post was not a legal issue? Surely they don't think that by having it posted here, especially when every other site on the planet already has it, would in any way sway GM's plans. What changed?

I was on the fence with the ZO6 pic, so I kinda understood it getting pulled. Then the Sky picture came along and got yanked, when in the past those uncovered gems were always shown here. Now this latest one clearly sets a trend away from what this forum used to be.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 08:56 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

Originally Posted by Pentatonic
Perhaps all of this disorder and arguing is merely a reflection of GM's changing philosophies and the resentment many enthusiasts feel towards them.

Such drama. I wonder if the Mustang boards are like this?
exactly.....
and to think there is some truth to what people write about the people that make desisions to what to keep and what not to on this board...dont say it hasnt...the Z06 pics would of been up for a while or someone else would of posted them..but I guess getting more recognition gets you more pressure to pull them...but who am I to say what...
I could go into another rant but I will not..I just feel the same way the guy above does and the guy I quoted..
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 09:32 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

my vote is to keep the forum going...I feel it's been a very unique place where fans of different makes can discuss info and the auto industry as a whole...confession: I've never owned an f-body, and I've only even driven one once in my life (2000 SS), and I check this board multiple times daily...I live for insider info, and this forum has been a good jump-off place to get it...this doesn't mean that we need to act like the irresponsible numbnutz on the vette boards to have real, grown-up discussions
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

Originally Posted by scott9050
Not from what I have seen, except in the political forum at the Corral
Of course the Mustang forums are not like this. I've read some of the 'stang forums, and they are not at each other's throats like this forum. Why do I feel like I am in the French army shortly after Napoleon deserted them?
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 09:44 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

Things have been going downhill here ever since the Z06 picture fiasco. The mods are afraid to **** GM off and so anything that's deemed remotely "sensitive" is going to set off alarms and people will freak out. That sucks. This site has been a great source for pre-release and insider information.

Why the hell is it "damaging" to the 5th gen that fans even know it's coming out? Is it just me, or is that a completely backwards way to run a company?

Btw, LOLing at the comments on how the Citation was a great performance car. Best thing I've heard all day, BDnF.

Originally Posted by JasonD
However, let's not dig too deep into this, fellas. The sky might be a little cloudy, but it is not falling. Some things NEED to remain private to ensure the proper development and to make sure the auto makers can effectively stay competitive.

Sharing information like we always have has never been a problem. It is sharing of embargoed images and highly confidential documents that is going to severly hinder a future we really need to experience.
You know, call me crazy, but it occurs to me that most automakers have people working for them who's job it is to know what their competition is doing. And I can only assume that if a bunch of random Camaro owners on the internet can find it, then the people who's job it is to know that information have it already. I think we're kidding ourselves if we think Ford is going to look at this website and go "Oh wow! This guy on the internet said this, what a shock!"

How far does this go? Someone posted a link to the new Autoweek that had some spy shots. Those "spy shots" were obviously not approved by their respective automakers, is that ok? Is it ok to link to another site with information? Can we TALK about information we read at another site? This is just retarded.

Originally Posted by R377
This, I think, is the salient point.

This site started out as a grassroots gathering of people with a common interest, willing to share whatever insight and tips they could and build some enthusiasm. By the luck of the draw, it became one of the best and drew a huge following.

As a result, the site owners have gone from nobodies running a website in their basement to people receiving "perks" from GM. Kinda hard to give that up, I suppose. So to protect their own personal interests, they turn their backs on the people that got them there in the first place for fear of losing this newfound status.

As I said in a previous thread on this topic, at some point a website needs to think about who it's in business to serve: its members, or some corporation. Apparently this site feels that its higher calling is to serve GM's wants and desires, not the members.
That's the same thing that occured to me. Why be so concerned if GM considers this site a "threat" or not? Nevermind the idiocy of the fact that enthusiasts talking about your future vehicles that they are chomping at the bit to buy is somehow "threatening"

I'll just say this....I saw renders of the new 'Stang on StangNet about 4 months before the concept came out. Never a peep out of the mods, or out of Ford. But then, the Mustang was never abandoned by the company that made it, either. It seems like every week that passes I get more disillusioned with GM's war against the people who want to buy their cars.

I remember us looking at a list of engine codes and deciphering why GM would need this or this engine, we'd never seen that one before! Now the same type of thing would just get pulled because someone in charge doesn't like us sharing it. That's fine I guess, but that's the fun of this board. If it's going to turn into a place where we don't dare post insider info because Mr Moderator is just going to delete it for whatever his personal reasons are....why bother?
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 10:02 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

I'm with MunchE. It's what I come here for.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 10:20 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

This is the 2nd big post I have missed. I try to atleast glance at this site on a daily basis, hoping for some kind of news to give me a reason to "keep my faith". I missed GuionM's post a few months ago, and now the one by "Ted" whoever that is. If anyone would like to fill me in...feel free to PM me
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 11:00 PM
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Btw, LOLing at the comments on how the Citation was a great performance car. Best thing I've heard all day, BDnF.
Glad I could entertain you. Anytime you want to take an imaginary jump back to 1983, subject yourself to a $10k new car budget and some draconian insurance budget limits imposed by the meager salary of a USAF 2LT in that year, pick your favorite car and we'll go bench racing
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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Re: Are we at a point where the 5th gen & future vehicles thread should be shut down?

All I asked was that people not post the file. I have my reasons, I stated them many times. That should have been good enough.

I also simply asked people to just e-mail me if there were any questions.
I have not received a single e-mail.

I didn't ask for much and got nothing but a hard time in return. I have no place for that. This is done.

Say what you will, but the reasons have been stated clearly and deserve to be respected. If you cannot leave it at that, you might as well just get used to being disppointed.
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