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Red Planet

 

No no no, that's not what I'm saying at all The point I'm trying to make is YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYONE! I could CARE LESS if the Camaro is retro or not. It doesn't bother me! If a car looks good, who cares if it's retro or not. Your fears that retro is a dead end aren't based on any reality known to man or God.

And styling (both looks and what is does to ride hight) did play a part in the Camaro's demise.

I've read them many times. Like you said 100 billion of them. One of which was styling.

I'm not deaf, blind and mute guys. I see what's happening on this board and I get a chuckle out of it. Not because I want Camaro to go away (though it already has)! I want Camaro to live again, but as a CAMARO, not some Australian wanna be (no offense to the GTO) or under a new name. I chuckle because the SAME arguements were happening on the Mustang boards before the 2005 came out. Go to the Mustang boards now, just about everyone loves the car. I think the same with happen with the Camaro IF it shows up as a Camaro.

Sorry you consider it my worst post, but hey, so be it. The truth (even a small part of it) isn't well received if people don't like it.

 

If my retro dead-end statement is not rational, then name one retro car that has been successful through a redesign. There are none. The major ones have not been designed yet or have already been killed off (Prowler, T-bird, Beetle, ect.). Sooner or later, the designer will have to come up with a modern design or just keep stealing designs from the past. This has already been discussed at length in another post so I will not get into it.

Also, a lack of updates in the styling does not really count as a design failure, all cars need to stay fresh to keep sales, along with many other factors.

 

which only means that the 05 mustang will one day become.... the 2011 Mustang II!! uke: If you didnt see how ugly it was back then, here it is with a modern twist!!

 

Ugh, I don't think that mistake will be repeated!

 

Prowler and T-Bird were both low production. The Beetle isn't doing as bad as many think. BTW, the T-Bird was the 3rd best selling convertible after Mustang. Not exactly a failure. It was beating Miata, MR2 and Eclipse nearly combined. I think lack of power killed it more than anything.

The Prowler was pricey and also didn't have much oompf. Two things I think that led to its demise. But I totally agree with your last sentence. All cars, retro or not, need to stay fresh to sell.

 

 

Now this is one scetch that is evolutionary!....correct......

and it's got T-Tops!.....it's too sweet!....

 

You defense of retro sure gives the opposite impression.

I can't remember now the exact publications I read it in, but every car you mention and defend did not come close to meeting it's first year sales numbers in following years. I'm not talking about the normal drop over 3-4 years after into, I mean after the first year sales really dropped.

And as far as basing retro is a dead end in this reality...where's the next gen beetle, cruiser, t-berd, etc? My thinks we are occupying different realities.

 

Very exciting!!! I cant believe someone has seen an actual car, but at 2.5-3 years from the production date I guess it really isnt that surprising.
With the design phase already in full swing if not complete, I think it's time for us to stop being super critical and start being thankful that the car really will exist. I would be happy with all 3 of the above concepts, I'm sure we'll see some real ones pretty soon.

1st gen styling with a modern drivetrain....hmmm

I wonder if GM has been checking out my webpage

 

Any comments to my latest version of all the rumored features.

http://home.comcast.net/~blackwoodga.../GenV_rev4.jpg

Yes, this is heavily based off crispey's design, however its been refined based on what a couple birdies said.

 

Nice work jg!

 

My goodness, this thread has taken a hilarious turn!

Look guys, this is the direction Camaro seems to be going. I already mentioned that everyone who has seen the car call it modern, great looking, aggressive, or some combination of this. So, can someone explain how it started getting slammed as a "retro" car??

Some people need to chill a bit here. We are talking about a drawing based on eyewitness accounts. It's purpose is to give an idea where styling is going since short of a guided tour of GM's styling studio, no one is going to have a sure idea as to how the car looks.

I'm begining to think alot of you suffer from "retro-noia": An uncontrollable, irrational fear of anything that could be remotely be considered retro. The symtom is the strong critial belief that the 2005 Mustang is retro because it resembles a 1969, but oddly misses the similarities between a modern Corvette and one from 1969.

This symptom can get so bad that when noone says the word retro, or when a theme, crease, or line that links a modern car to it's past, the person already goes into battle stations, until (in some instances) the person damns the carmaker, as well as the car itself, swearing off the brand, although everything about the car is top notch.

[b]Nobody[b] who saw the car said it looked or calls it retro! So please spare it!

 

Let the birds keep singing, I like this "C" car design. Looks aggresive, but not so much that it will turn off the general public. Very nice.