We now have enough info on what the next Camaro looks like.
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Personally, I could give a crap if it is retro. Bottom line to me is if it looks and performs good, I'll buy it. And that last picture looks freaking awesome. 
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Originally posted by Doug Harden
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
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I think I like the hardenmotorsports one best. I know it looks very retro but it is also the most practical looking of them all. The muscular look is good. It has a more European profile than the 1st gen had. I think the front grille needs to be a little smaller (ie thinner).
Overall I agree with the criticism that it doesn't look "unique" the way the 3rd and 4th gens did. But we have to remember that this car has to sell in a 6 cyl. version in volume and you can't get the mass market with the more radical designs.
The profile of the sharply rounded roof apex actually reminds me of the new 350Z. Trying to smooth it out a bit might be a good idea.
Looks good overall. I'd buy it with an SS package. I hope we see it in '06-'07 before I buy a Charger or a Mustang.
Overall I agree with the criticism that it doesn't look "unique" the way the 3rd and 4th gens did. But we have to remember that this car has to sell in a 6 cyl. version in volume and you can't get the mass market with the more radical designs.
The profile of the sharply rounded roof apex actually reminds me of the new 350Z. Trying to smooth it out a bit might be a good idea.
Looks good overall. I'd buy it with an SS package. I hope we see it in '06-'07 before I buy a Charger or a Mustang.
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The front is terrible and the blended mirror takes away from the car. Hood if too flat and high. The 69 fender lines go down too much. I do think another Camaro should have those lines, but I like the regualr flares better. IMO you don't need designs on the side as the Camaro barely ever had any and looked great without them.
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Originally posted by Doug Harden
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
The second one does look a bit better to me, but still the grille is just the biggest turn off to me, atleast how i stand right now. The mirrors look a bit forced to me, though.
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Originally posted by Doug Harden
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
Have you seen crispy's latest?
http://www.hardenmotorsports.com/ima...%20concept.jpg
Try to imagine the profile of a G35 with these styling ques.......hhhhmmmmm
I still think the grille is the thing the anti-retro people are reacting to....probably for good reason. I don't want it too blocky either, but this is just a sketch by an enthusiast......it's fun to see something though, ain't it?
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I too like the 2nd harden one, except for the rear roofline.
As far as the nose goes, i like the a more "tilted back" design, if it's straight up and down it's gonna look too "retro" and not fit with the 4th-gen-like windshield.
I like the mirrors
As far as the nose goes, i like the a more "tilted back" design, if it's straight up and down it's gonna look too "retro" and not fit with the 4th-gen-like windshield.
I like the mirrors
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Re: HERITAGE STYLING CUES...remember that term.......
Originally posted by Doug Harden
I too think it's waaaaayy to damned early for people to be taking sides on the styling of the Camaro.......hell, we're just arm-chair quarterbacking here anyway.
My suspicions are that people are reacting to the possibility of a larger grille with the headlights inside (1st gen ish) as opposed to the 2nd-4th gen with them outside it.......but this is the one thing even Red hinted that we are not right about....so chill a little.
My thoughts are that most peole confuse Retro with what is called Heritage Styling cues.....how the hell are you going to be able to tell it's a Camaro (this is REQUIRED) if it doesn't have certian Camaro trademark styling?!?
Personally I love the fact that it is even being hinted (again, no confirmation) that it'll have the fender sweeps (ala 1969)......the Camaro has been long too devoid of any real character on it's sides....certianlly doesn't make it Retro but does use it's Heritage.
It seems as though we'll get back to having some form of a "coke-bottle" shape to it's midsection......again, this is a good Camaro heritage styling cue.....it make the car much more muscular looking than a straight beltline. Good tumble home and strong shoulders....ah yes, Camaro Heritage traits again....
I look forward to it having a trunk again...half the Camaro's Heritage had one....stronger structure, better security for your stuff and less work for the airconditioning...
It seems as though it'll have a better hood design.....scoops or cowl induction...either way, it says Camaro and is in it's Heritage to have it.....that and we'l obviously get a spoiler too.
See the pattern?
To me Retro is a complete remake of a certian model......ala the T-bird......to use Heritage Styling Cues is keeping the car's DNA alive.
Who'd want a car that we couldn't even tell it was a Camaro?!? 
Heritage Styling Cues are a requirement to be able to recognize the car as a Camaro......but it doesn't mean it'll be Retro ...not by a long shot.
I too think it's waaaaayy to damned early for people to be taking sides on the styling of the Camaro.......hell, we're just arm-chair quarterbacking here anyway.
My suspicions are that people are reacting to the possibility of a larger grille with the headlights inside (1st gen ish) as opposed to the 2nd-4th gen with them outside it.......but this is the one thing even Red hinted that we are not right about....so chill a little.
My thoughts are that most peole confuse Retro with what is called Heritage Styling cues.....how the hell are you going to be able to tell it's a Camaro (this is REQUIRED) if it doesn't have certian Camaro trademark styling?!?
Personally I love the fact that it is even being hinted (again, no confirmation) that it'll have the fender sweeps (ala 1969)......the Camaro has been long too devoid of any real character on it's sides....certianlly doesn't make it Retro but does use it's Heritage.
It seems as though we'll get back to having some form of a "coke-bottle" shape to it's midsection......again, this is a good Camaro heritage styling cue.....it make the car much more muscular looking than a straight beltline. Good tumble home and strong shoulders....ah yes, Camaro Heritage traits again....
I look forward to it having a trunk again...half the Camaro's Heritage had one....stronger structure, better security for your stuff and less work for the airconditioning...
It seems as though it'll have a better hood design.....scoops or cowl induction...either way, it says Camaro and is in it's Heritage to have it.....that and we'l obviously get a spoiler too.
See the pattern?
To me Retro is a complete remake of a certian model......ala the T-bird......to use Heritage Styling Cues is keeping the car's DNA alive.
Who'd want a car that we couldn't even tell it was a Camaro?!?
Heritage Styling Cues are a requirement to be able to recognize the car as a Camaro......but it doesn't mean it'll be Retro ...not by a long shot.
Heritage styling........................no, it is not. What other Camaro does it look like other than the 69'? There is nothing from any other Camaro, except for the 4th gen blended mirrors. Other than that, there is no 2nd gen, no 3rd, and no 4th, it is the Camaro counterpart of the "new" retro Mustang design. The grill is 1st gen, so is the whole shape, bodystyle, roofline, windows, wheel arches, trunklid, ect.
The Camaro doesn't need to rely so heavily on the past for people to know it is a Camaro. This has been done for 35 years and it can be done again. A good modern design seems to fit well with a new modern image, one that will shed the old image of being antiquated. If you have a whole retro car, then it doesn't seem like the car is moving foward, breaking new ground and looking to a long future, like it should.
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I think you guys forget that even when the Camaro had a modern design it wasn't selling well (aka, the last few years). So, if retro won't work for you and a modern design has proven not to work, then maybe GM should just leave it dead. I'm also seeing lots of confusion between the "heritage cues" and "retro" labels. So is it retro or not? Give it time, you'll all come around, because in the end you've got nothing else to go to GM.
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Originally posted by dream '94 Z28
No offense,but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What you're speaking of blind loyalty.
No offense,but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What you're speaking of blind loyalty.
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