Some things to ponder.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by guionM
1. Buick, Pontiac, and GMC are combining. Logic would dictate that there is only one "large" coupe. Safe to say there will be no GNX or similar coupe at Buick.
Originally Posted by guionM
2. When GM-NA ended their involvement with GM-Holden on Zeta, it wiped out a whole host of perspective cars from Buick, Pontiac, and even Chevrolet that was scheduled for 2008. GM has said some of these cars willbe moved to other platforms. The most certainly didn't say all or most of these vehicles would be moved to another RWD platform.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by Z28x
A Charger like Sedan with a Turbo 3.6L DOHC would be a better fit for Buick anyways. I'd like to See the GNX be a performance pakage on one of Buicks RWD sedans.
Not smart, GM is already late to the party. RWD Sprost Sedans are looking to be the next big fad. (sorry large SUVs)
Not smart, GM is already late to the party. RWD Sprost Sedans are looking to be the next big fad. (sorry large SUVs)
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
For some reason, I dont picture Dodge and Buick in the same class.
A 300 like car for Buick, yes. A Charger like car for Pontiac, bingo.
A 300 like car for Buick, yes. A Charger like car for Pontiac, bingo.
I gotta agree with ya...
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
For some reason, I dont picture Dodge and Buick in the same class.
A 300 like car for Buick, yes. A Charger like car for Pontiac, bingo.
A 300 like car for Buick, yes. A Charger like car for Pontiac, bingo.
The charger like car for Pontiac is the GTO. Its a coupe and rightfully should be. Buick would be the perfect place for a Muscle sedan.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by falchulk
The charger like car for Pontiac is the GTO. Its a coupe and rightfully should be. Buick would be the perfect place for a Muscle sedan.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
The Charger is a land yaht compared to the GTO. The GTO has about the same size and proportions as the Mustang.
GTO was always bigger then pony cars and more in line with the heavier muscle cars. So what? My point is that the GTO coupe fits Pontiac. A 4 door muscle sedan fits buick.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
That wasn't the comment I was replying to. You said Pontiac's Charger-like car is the GTO. I said the GTO is closer in size to the Mustang.
Mustang = ponycar
Charger = largeass sedan
GTO = ponycar
Mustang = ponycar
Charger = largeass sedan
GTO = ponycar
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
That wasn't the comment I was replying to. You said Pontiac's Charger-like car is the GTO. I said the GTO is closer in size to the Mustang.
Mustang = ponycar
Charger = largeass sedan
GTO = ponycar
Mustang = ponycar
Charger = largeass sedan
GTO = ponycar
The GTO is not a pony car. It more closely fits the Muscle car classification.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by falchulk
The GTO is not a pony car. It more closely fits the Muscle car classification.
The "new" GTO is something else.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Though there are things about it that I don't care for, and with respects to the 86/87 TRs, the 04+ GTO is more of a Muscle Car than anything that has come out of Detroit since....well...since probably the early 70s.
IMHO, the only reason it is compared to the Mustang is that there is pretty much nothing else to compare to the Mustang.
IMHO, the only reason it is compared to the Mustang is that there is pretty much nothing else to compare to the Mustang.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
The "old" GTO was a muscle car.
The "new" GTO is something else.
The "new" GTO is something else.
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Re: Some things to ponder.
Originally Posted by Gloveperson
I agree with you 100%. I think a better comparison of the GTO is the G35 Coupe and the RX-8. All three are 2-door coupes that are sporty in nature. They all do it differently but they are all very similar in price point. I predict the RX-8 being the most agile, but severly under-powered with the G35 being in the middle. The GTO is much faster than all of them with slightly less interior aneminties.
If it was me, I would rate it GTO, RX-8, G35. 1-2-3. If I worked at a mag, it would be RX-8, G35, GTO.
If it was me, I would rate it GTO, RX-8, G35. 1-2-3. If I worked at a mag, it would be RX-8, G35, GTO.
The GTO does not belong anywhere near those cars. Totaly diffrent approaches to a car. The rx8 is also at a much lower price point in response to your comment on that. The RX8 is in the class of the 350z/g35 Which would be v6 japanese sports cars. The GTO is a v8 muscle coupe with the closest thing in that cat being the v8 Charger sedan. Japan sells nothing to compete in this segment.
