Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
2. You're talking about 10,000 miles
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You laugh at his example of 10,000 trouble free miles on a manual tranny... from an admitted beginner manual tranny driver.
But......... you blame failing Nissan trannys... at 5,000 or so miles... on...... novice American drivers?!
This is the BEST THREAD EVER as far as stupid lame arguements go!!!
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
1. Good for you.
2. You're talking about 10,000 miles?
3. When I ordered my Z28, I already knew how to drive a manual but I went for an automatic because (1) it was the same price and (2) you didn't lose any performance in a LS-1 when you went auto.
2. You're talking about 10,000 miles
?3. When I ordered my Z28, I already knew how to drive a manual but I went for an automatic because (1) it was the same price and (2) you didn't lose any performance in a LS-1 when you went auto.
4. I didn't learn to drive a manual using any of my cars.
No clutch or gearbox is indestructible. These days, automatic transmissions generally enjoy longer trouble free lives than manuals - at least in the United States.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
I'll repeat what I said before:
The sad fact is that most Americans grow up driving automatics, spend most of their adult lives driving automatics, and then get sucked into buying a manual-transmissioned sports car out of misplaced enthusiasm.
The sad fact is that most Americans grow up driving automatics, spend most of their adult lives driving automatics, and then get sucked into buying a manual-transmissioned sports car out of misplaced enthusiasm.
Your classification of American's not being able to drive manual transmissions doesn't hold much of any weight. While maybe something you believe in, doesn't make it any way factual.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Point, please? So you are distinguishing yourself from the "American Idiots" who buy a stick when they can't drive one by stating that you bought an auto when you could drive a stick? What is the point of this?
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Again, is there a point to this?Really?
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Interesting if true. Have you seen an article or anything about this (seriously) or do you just think it is true? And if it is true, then good - automatics are getting better. Since cars are designed to be driven 150k+ miles nowadays, one would hope the transmissions would be designed to last as long as the rest of the car should.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
Just because I can drive a manual doesn't mean I have to. I often get the feeling that some folks buy manuals just to prove something.
1) Manuals can be more fun to drive.
2) Manuals can be faster than an equally equiped automatic in many cases.
3) Manuals almost always get better milage.
4) Manual cars are stolen considerably less often, because many theives can't drive stick. I've read this in several reports about stolen vehicles.
It's better to learn on someone else's car than your own car.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
I often get the feeling that some folks buy manuals just to prove something.
wow... Now you are really starting to sound like someone that has issues himself..
either way, its seems Nissan is doing something wrong, since it appears their manual tranny's are failing left and right.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
It gets even better!
You laugh at his example of 10,000 trouble free miles on a manual tranny... from an admitted beginner manual tranny driver.
You laugh at his example of 10,000 trouble free miles on a manual tranny... from an admitted beginner manual tranny driver.
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
But......... you blame failing Nissan trannys... at 5,000 or so miles... on...... novice American drivers?!
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
Show me a car with 110,000 miles on the orignal clutch and I'm impressed by the car....and the gentle driver.
His example was 10,000 on the clutch, not 110,000...
And we are comparing just about every manual tranny in the industry today to the one in your glorious Nissan that fails regularly.
Hey, an idiot can destroy a clutch in practically no time by slippin' it on the interstate. America's highways are populated with plenty of middle-aged folks that have driving skills that would embarrass a novice. I wouldn't get bent out of shape unless Nissan 350Z owner in Great Britain start reporting problems.
You have reached a whole new level of idiocy.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
Hey, an idiot can destroy a clutch in practically no time by slippin' it on the interstate. America's highways are populated with plenty of middle-aged folks that have driving skills that would embarrass a novice. I wouldn't get bent out of shape unless Nissan 350Z owner in Great Britain start reporting problems.
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
This just might be the most retarded post by Red yet...
would suspect that American drivers are having more manual transmission worries than Europeans. The sad fact is that most Americans grow up driving automatics, spend most of their adult lives driving automatics, and then get sucked into buying a manual-transmissioned sports car out of misplaced enthusiasm. With the 350Z, the situation is made worse by the poor availability of automatics in actual dealer inventory and the fact that Japanese manual transmissions aren't as tolerant of abuse as German gearboxes.
Any moron can destroy the clutch in a highpowered 350Z or a Maxima in under 35,000 miles. However, it normally takes well over 100,000 miles for the same sort of moron to ruin the clutch in a VW Jetta. When it comes to manual transmissions, the title of Greenday's latest album applies: "American Idiot."
Any moron can destroy the clutch in a highpowered 350Z or a Maxima in under 35,000 miles. However, it normally takes well over 100,000 miles for the same sort of moron to ruin the clutch in a VW Jetta. When it comes to manual transmissions, the title of Greenday's latest album applies: "American Idiot."
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Its not the clutches though that are going.. its the syncro's and forks.
I stand by my guess that the clutches are not 100% disengaging.. which is puttign stress on synco's and forks. which is why not only are they replacing the whole trans, but also a revised clutch pedal assembly they released
I stand by my guess that the clutches are not 100% disengaging.. which is puttign stress on synco's and forks. which is why not only are they replacing the whole trans, but also a revised clutch pedal assembly they released
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by Ken S
Its not the clutches though that are going.. its the syncro's and forks.
I stand by my guess that the clutches are not 100% disengaging.. which is puttign stress on synco's and forks. which is why not only are they replacing the whole trans, but also a revised clutch pedal assembly they released
I stand by my guess that the clutches are not 100% disengaging.. which is puttign stress on synco's and forks. which is why not only are they replacing the whole trans, but also a revised clutch pedal assembly they released
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
OK, so you still haven't answered my earlier point about what this has to do with Nissans apparently failing (I have no idea if they are or not, but that is the point being discussed here) at a higher rate than other manuals.
Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Can't really blame that on American drivers. If they fail more here than in Britain, that might have something to do with drivers here. But if they fail here more than other makes (even just other sports cars) here,
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how exactly is that the fault of American drivers buying a manual "to prove something"??
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!
Originally Posted by redzed
Actually, Darth Xed started the whole rumor about Z-car manual transmissions.
redzed: The odd thing about Nissan is that the 350Z's 6-speed manual is making its way to the Frontier (and Xterra), the not the other way around.
Doug Harden: Check the 350Z boards....those things eat 6 speeds every 5k miles or less....
(Which is some more "wisdom" from Darth Xed.)
How can I explain this to you? The vast majority of vehicles sold in the U.S.A. are equipped with automatic transmissions, somthing that has been true for decades. The vast majority of vehicles sold in Europe are equipped with manual transmissions, although automatics have better availability than a few years ago. Unlike Europeans, most Americans just don't know how to shift for themselves and many of the ones that do just aren't very good at it.
If the American Drivers were the problem... ALL OTHER MANUFACTURERS WOULD BE HAVING PROBLEMS... they ARE NOT. Therefore... the weak link in this chain is the Nissan Tranny...
Last edited by Darth Xed; Feb 18, 2005 at 01:36 PM.
