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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by redzed
Unless I see a service bulletin or advisory, I wouldn't start using terms like "high failure rate.".
High failure won't necessarily trigger a bulletin nor advisory. If a dealer replaces a transmission with little question or protraction, well that might indicate a "known" issue.

Isn't the Solstice getting a 5-speed Aisin tranny instead of a the original Solstic concept's Tremec (license built BorgWarner) T-56? Did the CTS lose its Getrag 5-speed for a 6-speed Aisin.

Hmm.....BorgWarner.....German......Getrag......Ger man......Aisin......Japanese.....Hmm?.
Merely the company or manufacturing country doesn't indicate a quality or lack of. Manufacturers work with suppliers on the spec for a transmission. Getrag makes transmissions and transaxles for many companies, Nissan among them for the Slyline and AWD for Supras... Porsche 911, GT3, Carrera Cup cars... BMW M trannies were predominately Getrag based at one time...may well still be. Perhaps the 350Z is a Getrag too..? Aisin is mostly in automatics but it seems they have a nice 5 speed dialled up for Solstice.. I figure it'll be a pretty good match for the motor.

I'd call the TTC " Tremec " transmissions, particularly the 6 speed to be Warner Gear designs and came with the Borg Warner buyout by Mexican DESC < part parent company of TTC " TTC is a joint venture with DESC and Dana... a Mex-American deal. The T56 is a very good design and depending how you load it partwise, from pretty good to great service and performance.

The only anecdotal trannie concerns problems I have heard repeatidly regarding the 350z have been 3 gear related for a large part. Synchro's or shift forks, or blocker rings could be an issue. Hamfisted driver's could be the culprit too. It just isn't the first place to look. Might be linkage related.

Validate the product and make sure it isn't design, materials, workmanship before pointing at the owners because they are " Idiots".

There's a lot more folks in the US that can use a manual trannie than you might think. Your statement that IF there ans issue, in MUST be the American Idiot that should have bought an automatic. This is somewhat like a conversation I had with a poor individual that shelled out a wad of cashe at 40k miles to replace his Acura engine. He told me "It had to be something I did because japanese cars never break. Don't tell anyone or they'll think I abuse my cars."

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:04 PM
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Since ol' redzed is too afraid to see the truth....here's a link to make it easier for him to stop swinging from Nissan's n*tz....

22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=39553

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!

Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Since ol' redzed is too afraid to see the truth....here's a link to make it easier for him to stop swinging from Nissan's n*tz....

22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=39553
Holy crap--I just looked at this. Most of them at or under 10K miles. If this had been a lowly Chevy, there would have been a lynching.

I guess the import kool-aid is some pretty good stuff!
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!

Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Since ol' redzed is too afraid to see the truth....here's a link to make it easier for him to stop swinging from Nissan's n*tz....

22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=39553
I suppose my sources were pretty accurate in their description. Thanks for the link... seems pretty widespread.

It also would seem clear that that forum has some folks that like their car and it's certainly a shame to see them disappointed. They don't seem like "idiots" to me. I wish they were driving something else, but maybe someday...

350z isn't what I like in a car, but you gotta feel for another performance enthusiast facing the letdown and hassle.

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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 06:07 PM
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Re: Solstice Pricing official: Well equipped starting at $19,995!

Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Since ol' redzed is too afraid to see the truth....here's a link to make it easier for him to stop swinging from Nissan's n*tz....

22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=39553

redzed will claim that that site is nothing but "idiot americans" , and then probably claim something to the effect that they are all false reports from employees of GM, trying to cause the mighty Nissan some trouble.
Old Feb 18, 2005 | 08:25 PM
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Well well look what I started.

I kinda figured out redzed failed Logic 101 at the local community college when he claimed Cadillac's DTS (class leader in sales) was "uncompetitive", but at least I could see why he might make that claim (the platform is a few years old). I have no chance in hell of ever following this shifting hodge-podge of "reasoning" however. I think it's time we all find the "block posts by____" option...there's no point of even reading this stuff anymore.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........
Talk about .....
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 11:00 AM
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High failure won't necessarily trigger a bulletin nor advisory. If a dealer replaces a transmission with little question or protraction, well that might indicate a "known" issue.
Isn't it amazing that the sunroof of early production 2004 Pathfinder Armadas(yes, the sunroof) generated multiple advisories, but there isn't any legitimate papertrail for the supposed 350Z transmission issues.




Originally Posted by 1fastdog
The only anecdotal trannie concerns problems I have heard repeatidly regarding the 350z have been 3 gear related for a large part. Synchro's or shift forks, or blocker rings could be an issue. Hamfisted driver's could be the culprit too. It just isn't the first place to look. Might be linkage related.
Considering the aftermarket culture that's sprouted up around the 350Z, I think that the issue of "hamfisted drivers" is more of a probability than a possibility. The warranty-voiding goofballs are the ones that always cry the loudest when a combination of abuse, modifications and inept driving break their car.


Originally Posted by 1fastdog
There's a lot more folks in the US that can use a manual trannie than you might think. Your statement that IF there ans issue, in MUST be the American Idiot that should have bought an automatic.
There are plenty of people who are just kidding themselves when they think they can actually drive a manual.

Originally Posted by 1fastdog
This is somewhat like a conversation I had with a poor individual that shelled out a wad of cashe at 40k miles to replace his Acura engine. He told me "It had to be something I did because japanese cars never break. Don't tell anyone or they'll think I abuse my cars."
Acura has a 4 year/ 50,000 mile warranty, so if you friend had to shell out "a wad of cash" at 40K miles it was either because (a) the warranty had been voided by abuse/modifications, (b) the mileage was really over 50K instead of the supposed 40K, or (c) the car was over 4 years old, in which case a mileage of 40K is hard to believe anyway.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Harden
Since ol' redzed is too afraid to see the truth....here's a link to make it easier for him to stop swinging from Nissan's n*tz....

22 pages of people with, sometimes multiple transmission replacements...on only this ONE website. Not to mention un-alignable front ends, etc........

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...threadid=39553
How many pages have been devoted to the topic of LS-1 piston slap?
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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redzed it really doesn't matter because you can still drive those LS1s but with a burnt transmission you can't. Also why don't answer a question?
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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How many cases of piston slap caused someone to destroy the engine, only to have one replaced, and yet have that engine be junked again?
Face it Red, you cant say a thing, its over.
Old Feb 19, 2005 | 12:06 PM
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Isn't it amazing that the sunroof of early production 2004 Pathfinder Armadas(yes, the sunroof) generated multiple advisories, but there isn't any legitimate papertrail for the supposed 350Z transmission issues..
Actually no. It's not amazing at all. Sunroof issues won't make the evening news... recalls and widespread admissions of powertrain issues will.

I don't work for Nissan nor a Nissan dealer. What they have in their service dispatches is not something I'm aware of. I might however feel 22 pages on one of probaly a few websites dedicated to the 350z might be some indicator of a possible durability or design issue.

Swapping out a transmission rather than rebuiliding can be a real strong indicator that the manufacturer knows or suspects something is wrong. That or all the spare replacement parts have dried up to to numeours failures. They would either want the failed unit back to inspect or want it back to make the supplier pay for it. Transmissions are usually cheaper to rebuild than replace. Owners and, more to the point...potential owners have a different attitude to an accessory issue than a drivetrain issue.

Originally Posted by redzed
Considering the aftermarket culture that's sprouted up around the 350Z, I think that the issue of "hamfisted drivers" is more of a probability than a possibility. The warranty-voiding goofballs are the ones that always cry the loudest when a combination of abuse, modifications and inept driving break their car..
There are plenty of people who are just kidding themselves when they think they can actually drive a manual. ..
Your experience differs from mine, I suppose. I do hang with a lot more roadracing folks than most.. still don't think that's it when discussing the 350z deal. I did my fair share of SCCA racing in A and B production classes... maybe we just hang in different circles.

Are you suggesting that an inordinate number of American drivers that are dyed in the wool powershifters are drawn to that car? Why? It's a slow car. I figure if a dealer pulled the trans and saw a scorched flywheel there would be warranty denials, not replacements much less some multi replacements.




Originally Posted by redzed
Acura has a 4 year/ 50,000 mile warranty, so if you friend had to shell out "a wad of cash" at 40K miles it was either because (a) the warranty had been voided by abuse/modifications, (b) the mileage was really over 50K instead of the supposed 40K, or (c) the car was over 4 years old, in which case a mileage of 40K is hard to believe anyway.
Five year old car, older woman driver... not the "modding" kind of streetracer owner I would have asked for some adjustment from the manufacturer but she seemed to feel as you seem to... Imports don't brake unless an "idiot" drives them...

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Old Feb 19, 2005 | 12:31 PM
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How many pages have been devoted to the topic of LS-1 piston slap?
Far too many, but folks rarely understand what cold engine slap is, and even fewer understand what it isn't.

Nonetheless, what does it have to do with Nissan 350z's of American car owners?

Try to stay focused. Smokescreening doesn't support your premise.

I'm not unaware that some people abuse their cars. I don't need convincing about obvious, matter of fact situations.

I'm unconvinced that you are anywhere approaching reality when you seem to suggest that either :

A- No issue exists or existed with 350z manuals because you'd know about it.

OR...

B- If an issue exists it's because 350z's could only have "American Idiot" induced problems.
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Originally Posted by Big Als Z
How many cases of piston slap caused someone to destroy the engine, only to have one replaced, and yet have that engine be junked again?
Face it Red, you cant say a thing, its over.
You don't remember how hot the Australian were over piston slap related oil consumption. More than a few Aussies didn't check their oil levels, ruined their LS-1 V8s and got free rebuilds from Holden. Now I'm the first one to say that if you don't check your oil, you should bear some responsibility for ruining your own engine.
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Originally Posted by redzed
Considering the aftermarket culture that's sprouted up around the 350Z, I think that the issue of "hamfisted drivers" is more of a probability than a possibility.
Oh, ok. So F-body and Mustang manuals don't seem to break nearly as much because the aftermarket for those cars doesn't compare to that of the 350Z. And so in turn, the only "American idiot" manual drivers who modify their cars drive 350Zs and nothing else. I just want to make sure I know where you're coming from. Just tell me yes or no, is that your assertion?




If so, seriously, step away from the crack pipe. You've been thoroughly in this thread. Take your medicine and re-group.



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