Personally, I hope that I feel VERY stupid!

I hope that I feel stupid, when Chevy actually comes out with a car called Camaro.

I hope that I feel stupid, when it turns out that this Camaro is really a Camaro and not a Chevy GTO.

I hope I really feel stupid, when I find out that the Camaro won't be based on the general architecture from a mid-1990's Opel sedan.

Until then........



BTW, are you in the Guard or Reserve?

The Il ANG, took me on a KC-135 training flight afew years ago. I had full access - cockpit, boom, whole nine yards. It was pretty cool!

 

V8 Camaros have been weighing between 3200-3600 pounds since they came out.
You most certainly aren't going to take a brand new car, and weld in 10 point cages, intercoolers, piping, or install an iron block, so I really don't know why you are even commenting about this at all.

 

Anyone up for a V8 Chevy coupe with RWD and alot of performance should be happy in a couple of years.
Anyone hoping for the name to be Camaro, may (or may not) be dissappointed.
If you want a modern version of a rwd pony car, you'll probally wait till at least the end of the decade.

The blame for all this lies primarily with the GM management that was in place 4 years ago. They really made a mess of things. But the blame for everything taking so long to turn around is GM's structure and corperate mentality.

As far as have faith, I probally know more than the average person about what's in the pipeline.

My advice based on this?
If you are holding out for a great new affordable GM performance car, unless the supercharged Cobalt SS tickles your fancy, go elsewhere (Chrysler primarily, but also Ford...SVTs about to make a major comeback) and take advantage of a 24-36 month lease or structure your payments so you won't be upside down in 2007. By then, we should see the start of GM's REAL performance turn around.

We should not only see 2 Zeta coupes by then, we should also have a turbo Solstice & another Kappa car by then. Maybe even a performance Zeta sedan as well.

 

Why would anyone who owns a camaro would want to downgrade and buy a 2005 Mustang? Cobra? OK maybe, certainly not a GT.

 

I'm not holding my breathe on a 5th Gen. I'll keep my 93 and rebuild it and rebuild it and rebuild it.......... I can't say I've jumped ship but the next GM product I buy will be a 03-04 Z06 in say 5 yrs and drop a 436ci in it, and 05' Porsche CS in about 6-7 yrs. Used is the only way to go and if the 5th gen does come out I'll buy it used too.

 

I think that this statement is pretty accurate.

A V8 RWD Chevy coupe is coming. If you're not too picky, which I think alot of people are not, you'll be happy. If you're not too concerned about outhandling M3's or RX8's...you'll be happy. If you're not too concerned about excessive mass you'll be happy. And if you're not too concerned about it being a Camaro....either in execution or name you'll be happy.

As far as I'm concerned.....I doesn't look like I'll be very happy. I haven't purchased a new Camaro in 15 years. I've been waiting patiently for my car to come. Looks like I'll be waiting some more.

My biggest concern here however, is that Chevy may consider the Zeta coupe "good enough" to cover this segment....and not see an adequate reason for a "real" Camaro. From what I know about it, I certainly hope that it DOES NOT come wearing a Camaro emblem.

Here's an interesting tidbit. It is my understanding that the (smaller more Camaro-like) GONGOS car that Danno saw, clinic'd so well that GM rethought it's sales projections....revising them 50%-80% higher than initial estimates. Now, the larger Zeta coupe - with some styling elements from the clinic car - has had it's sales projections revised back down again.

 

For once in my life, I hope that I am made to feel very stupid if a new Camaro is announced.

 

Will never go Ford.

 

muckz, I think I know where you are coming from. Point is valid.

Still, I think it bears saying at this point...
People have opened wallets for over 8.4-million Mustangs to date.
There are people who have owned Mustangs since they started driving.
I beg of you folks to consider that a Mustang is as close as you can get to a Camaro these days, so it might be more enjoyable than you think.

Where's WERM during all of this?!?!

 

The 2005 Mustang is probably the best of the breed, but I couldn't image actually buying one. In the sunbelt, new Mustangs will soon be just about as common as Camrys. For my money, a base Nissan 350Z is a better built, better finished, more exclusive, and a more "sporting" alternative.

 

tell that to the 350Z owner that got his doors blown off last night by my '05.V6 power=no torque.and by the way,better finished does not apply when comparing to a 2005 mustang,these cars have changed drastically.In fact,maybe better finished than a nissan.

 

Hehe.. That痴 funny, your sibling now has the fastest car. Hahahah!

 

you nut,a sibling is not your daughter,its a brother or sister.

 

Hey easy there, just kidding around no need to freak out now. Can't you take a little joke.

 

I could not have said it any better myself. I am as die-hard a Camaro fan as anyone, and enjoy my Z more than I ever thought possible. I was a third gen devotee until this car...now I'm a 3rd AND a 4th gen guy The only new car I will probably buy in the next 10-15 years is a new Camaro, and that's because I refuse to take the depreciation hit for a car I drive every day...but a car I buy and keep forever, such as a new 5th gen? You never realize a depreciation hit unless you sell something...I would never sell a 5th gen, and may end up being buried in my Z, unless I give it to a future child someday. With 57k on it now, and putting no more than 3k on it per summer, I too will never wear mine out.

I am sticking it out, but do not expect much. Unless GM sees the Mustang as a legitimate threat to its wallet, we will never see another Camaro. I know Red says keep the faith, but I just don't see it...Zeta is too damn big, Kappa will probably prove too damn small, and we lost Camaro this last time because it had a unique chassis. Nothing will change that. And the longer the name is gone, the more it is irrelevant to the marketplace. I honestly expect very, very little.

I love GM and will always own GM cars, but I have found I really like cars they no longer make. I love my Grand Prix as a COUPE. I worship my Z28. And frankly, my next purchase will be an off-lease Alero, not the new Cobalt I was considering. With Olds' depreciation making these cars rock-bottom deals, I can't say no. My girlfriend's Probe is dying, she wants the GP, and I want a car I can take a 24 month loan on, pay off and still be able to buy a third gen before they get too old and/or too pricey. I like several new GM models a lot, actually.

I just don't love them. And love is what will make me open my wallet to a new car over a nice year or two old one...