Who remembers the little GM(Oldsmobile) Quad 4 naturally aspirated 4 cylinder engine that made over 200 HP? Man, that was over 15 years ago! GM was the original 4-cylinder hot rod long before Hondas were being modded.

Put a turbo on THAT.

Greg

 

i have an 88 cutlass calais (olds/GM) with the 2.3L quad 4 supposedly it only makes 150hp that is underrated =D

not so bad for a 100$ beater

 

Highest rated Quad 4 was the in the 442 Calias W41. It has
190hp and redline of 7400rpm.

Regular HO Qaud 4s were (5spd only) were 175-180hp depending upon year.

 

Give myself or Big Red Jim $5000 with our 4-bangers and I can guarantee your 383 would be nothing more than an afterthought.

...And anytime you want to "show me how it's done," feel free. I'll show you what clear taillights and a big wing looks like at 6 car lengths back by 100.

 

Hey which show was it? You should come down to the Camaro Nats in St.catherines this summer it`s an AWSOME show it`s 3 days long

As for the Cars I Beat I have no reson to lie about it. And I`m telling you it was pathetic just how badly I beat the RSX. I wasn`t even gonna race him I was just passing him then he launch it and he got the jump on me. we want though the east main tunnel. and I killed that little Acura. the look on his face when he caught back up to me was PRICLESS.

The 1st stang gave me a run my 140km/h speedo was pinned on the trip button I`m guessin we hit around 110mph. I had a car and 1/2 on him and I couldn`t pull on him anymore.

The most pathetic win I have is when I blow away the 86 Z28. The light turn green and I launched it but I put the tires up in smoke and went sidways . Then I hooked and passed him like he was standin still. at the next light I wanted to wave him over to the side of the road to talk to him and he wouldn`t even look at me.

I took a board member out for a run once and I impressed him with it. He told me his friends 5L stang with a 5spd dosen`t pull as hard in 3rd as my Z28 does. And 3rd is where I beat the 1st stang. The CZ28 member also owned a 96 Black Z28 with a 6spd wow those LT1`s pull hard

So there you have it. if you still don`t belive me I don`t know what to tell ya.

Oh and my 383 will be done next summer I CAN`T WAIT to meet a SRT-4 by the time my 383 6spd Z28 is done with it. It will be 4 tires and a turbo laying on the side of the road

 

So you're assembling a heavily modified V8 so that you can beat a stock Neon?

 

Sorry to get back on topic guys....

But do we know for sure if the Cobalt is going to have the SC 2.2? And not something like a turbocharged 2.0 Ecotec?(2.4.....or something...)

 

i don't really know if they "missed" their mark, but i think they might of had a different target. next year toyota will be releasing a corolla, i think its called a xrs, it will have around 170-180hp with a 6-speed, but the car weighs 2500lbs. the sad thing is, the corolla isn't supercharged, never thought id see the day when an american company had to get supercharged to keep up and the corolla has a bit smaller engine, by like 100cc's or something,
you can get a supercharger for it through trd which gets by the warrantee, and that will probably put in in srt-4 range
i'm asuming that thats who this car is aimed at, cause if it the srt-4 they were hoping to kick, well its definitely a short fall how do i know this, cause i have a corolla, haha

 

The XRS has a 170hp 4 cly--they detuned the 180hp version a bit for more torque. In the press releases I saw Toyota was claiming a 7.8-8.0 0-60mph.

I don't think it will be any sort of match against a Supercharged SS. The 2.4L Ecotec should be able to beat it as well.

 

lol no I`m not. I`m building a heavily moded V8 because I want to and to go after bigger much bigger game then a SRT-4. When I`m done I`m planing on mid/high 11s N/A.

I saw in another thread that there building it on a different platform and not a Neon, Maybe then I`ll respect it alittle more. But my mom has a 98 neon that is one SLOW car and horribly built my S-10 would beat it lol.

 

I want to drive one of those things and I still can't and I work for a saturn dealer. We are still waiting for our first one. I will let everyone know how they run. I drove the redline vue and it surprised me and had me thinking this is a saturn? The redline has a 2.0 saab motor in it from one of their turbo models. The techs that were trained on it said the motor is supposed to be pretty stout shortblock-wise. Has for the gauges in the middle I hate them too. But after driving one for a while it makes a great deal of sense. It makes seeing ahead so much easier. I would buy one at my discount but they are only making 5K this yearand I think that a couple are spoken for at the dealership. It would make a pretty good back and forth to work car.

 

i wasn't speaking of a SS supercharged, i was talking about the saturn being super charged

 

FWD blows for many reasons.
1 No power slides or crazy burnouts
2 Torque steer, my 91 buick with 170 hp torque steered, I like my cars accelerating in a straight line thank you very much.
3 Too much weight on the front wheels makes excessive understeer.
4 Tires will wear much quicker on a normally driven FWD than a normally driven RWD.
5 Always have a little engine with a FWD car.

For an A to B car FWD is fine, but for peformence it absoluetly sucks.

 

WOW!! 6 pages, I must have signed up late for this site.

It might not put down SRT numbers, but it deffinatly didnt miss anything! Its raited at 205hp, and put down 197!! And if the GM website was telling me the truth, the crank rods and pistons are forged so there is going to be tons of fun in the future!
197x15% drivetrain loss=227hp. Thats very underrated, over 20hp. I dont see how this missed he spot. When everyone else is making 170hp top model cars, except for the SRT4, a 220-230hp car is very possible. I didnt read the whole first post, but did they even break the car in? This could be more like 230-240hp with a break in. Really guys, it didnt miss the spot at all.

 

Great way to sum itup Al. I think alot of people missed those points. The first test done by a car magazine is hardly gospel.
I, too don't think it was a representational test for many of the reasons you outline.

AronZ28--fwd cars will always suffer from torque steer but some mangae it much better then others. Yes your points are true but
Fwd power and performance has been around for awhile--so saying it sucks isn't gonna make it go away.

If GM is stuck with making such a high percentage of fwd cars----may as well make them interesting to drive!