Without stating the obvious about that there is no official announcement about a 5-gen Camaro coming out soon.

I wouldnt be surprised for GM to launch the next Camaro about 4 years after the next mustang appears. Mustang has such a strong brand name that GM knows it cant win a head to head battle in sales with a new and improved Stang but after the new stang has been around for 4 years or so the next Camaro should have no problem stealing mustang owners and generating new excitement for our beloved Camaro.

The new 2004 GTO will most likely only be around for 4-5 model years before it is either axed or replaced (depending how the new GTO sells). I would guess it will get axed to make room for the new, more powerful, and cheaper 5th-gen Camaro (and maybe the return of the Firebird)

I think the moneys on the next Camaro coming 4 years after the new Stang.

That my 2 cents.

 

Why does everyone link GTO and F-body?? I sure am glad you people don't run the auto industry. Next you'd think the CTS is taking the F-body's place. Geez!

Anyway, Camaro is MIA primarily because it wasn't a priority at GM till fairly recently & issues with the Canadian plant it's made in.

Camaro has never out sold Mustang. There has been a few years (1997 the most recent) where the f-bodies COMBINED outsold Mustang, but you can also take the Mustang/Cougar or Mustang/Capri the years they were twins & with combined sales end up back at ground zero.

 

Honestly, I think that if GTO does well, that helps the case for a 5th Gen F-car.

 

If they can sell a crap load of high profit margin expensive cars, why develop a low cost sports coupe?

 

1) There won't be a "crap load" of GTO's because it is limited in production.

2) It might prove that GM can still sell a 4 place RWD V8 car to those who make the descisions.

3) I don't think Camaro needs to be viewed as a super high production figure car to be a viable addition to the line up. If a 5th Gen shares platforms and sub assemblies with other lines, you can spread out costs, and keep the price in line, as well as have a much lower required production figure.

IMO, of course.

 

Personally I think we'll see the next Camaro in September 2006. It'll be for the 2007 model year and the 40th Anniversary of the F-body.

At least that would make the most sense.

 

It doesn't make sense to forfeit sales for 4 years while waiting. They'd never recover more than what they lost. Besides - What if all those people who buy mustangs really like them??

Also, forget about just Mustang - GM's biggest worry should be all of the other competition in the segment.

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I dont think that the GTO and Camaro are linked but when a new Camaro comes out thats faster , cheaper ,and most likely better looking then the GTO sales would most likely drop off.

If GTO sales remain good then I would expect that a new version of the GTO would be based off the Camaro but the next GTO would come fully loaded and have more HP and have a higher MSRP then the next Camaro.

Maybe the next Camaro could come out in January of 2007 like when the 1993 Camaro came out in January of 1993 and had a short model year.

Lighten up guys this all just fun conjecture.

 

I always disagree with this statement. It should always be the F-body vs. the Mustang IMO. When it comes down to it they are exactly the same cars just different appearance "packages" in a sense. Back in the day when they had different motors, different power ratings blah blah blah. But now they are the same car. Made at the same plant.


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I agree with this. It Is F-Body vs. M*****g. Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird vs. F**d's direct competitor. I do know the F-Body outsold the M*****g almost every year of the Third Gen, and the Camaro did it without needing to even combine sales a few of those years.

 

Here's Mustang/3rd gen Camaro sales figures. I didn't include Firebird or Capri which were identical cars to Camaro and Mustang.

Yep, I was wrong about Camaro not outselling Mustang till the 4th gen, but it was a genuine horse race!

1983 Mustang: 120,873
Camaro: 154,381

1984 141,480
261,591

1985 156,514
180,018

1986 224,210
192,219

1987 159,145
137,760

1988 211,225
96,275

1989 209,769
110,850

1990 128,138
35,048

1991 98,737
101,316

1992 79,280
70,712

 

You want numbers and Third Gen information, I give them to you.

Production 82-92

Camaro
1982: 189,747- beats M*****g without needing Firebirds sales
1983: 154,831- beats M*****g without needing Firebirds sales
1984: 261,591- beats M*****g without needing Firebirds sales
1985: 180,018- beats M*****g without needing Firebirds sales
1986: 192,219
1987: 137,760
1988: 96,275
1989: 110,739
1990: 34,896
1991: 100,838- beats M*****g without needing Firebirds sales
1992: 70,007

Firebird
1982: 116,364
1983: 74,884
1984: 128,304
1985: 95,880
1986: 110,465
1987: 88,612
1988: 62,445
1989: 64,409
1990: 20,553
1991: 51,184
1992: 27,569

F-Body Total
1982: 306,111- Beats M*****g
1983: 229,715- Beats M*****g
1984: 389,895- Beats M*****g
1985: 275,898- Beats M*****g
1986: 302,684- Beats M*****g
1987: 226,372- Beats M*****g
1988: 158,720
1989: 175,148
1990: 55,422
1991: 152,022- Beats M*****g
1992: 97,576- Beats M*****g

M*****g Totals
1982: 130,418
1983: 120,873
1984: 141,482
1985: 156,514
1986: 224,410
1987: 159,145
1988: 211,225- F-Body lost
1989: 209,769- F-Body lost
1990: 128,189- F-Body lost
1991: 98,737
1992: 79,280




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What happened in 1990, less than 35,000 Camaros sold?
Just wondering!

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While we're on the subject of sales, I wonder what the total sales are, Mustang, Camaro, Firebird from 1964 to present... I bet it wouldn't be close considering that they sold a million mustangs before camaro ever came out.

Of course, who cares about sales? As long as the cars make enough money to sustain a profit and a future for themselves... I never understood how claiming sales superiority proved anything to be a better product... by that argument, McDonalds would have the best burgers in the world.

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2001 Mustang Bullitt GT
2000 Jetta M5
1988 C1500 A3

 

From 1979 to 1986 combining F-body sales without combining Mustang & Capri sales is a bit dishonest, don't you think?