That car is badass. I would buy one in a heartbeat (funds permitting of course ).

 

I can, and will. The Z06 will OWN the Cobra....period. Owned = winning, however so slightly, in every objective measure of performance.

And as well it should, its lighter, lower, wider, has more HP, tq, wider tires, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I'm actually dumbfounded somebody's even making the suggestion this is up in the air, when the real shootout is Z06 vs. Ford GT.

 

Do you think before you post? Gearing, yeah, that's great, but let me see...Dale won 1 race in those two years combined....so restarts, that's great, but once you get up to speed you wind out at a lower speed and get passed on the straighaways. Restarts are only relevant if its like 2 laps to the checkers. What that has to do with anything at hand here is beyond me.

Further, what's that have to do with the Ford having more accel? Sure you can mod it and change the gears, but so can the Z06 owner....anything other than a stock vs. stock comparo here is irrelevant, because all bets are always off anytime you are discussing two modded cars.

But factory for factory, you're also limited to fuel efficiency considerations. So its not like Ford is going to go put a 4.11 in the Cobra just to out accel the Z06, especially with the brick-like aero of the Mustang, its got enough drag on its hands it going to need all the help it can get to beat the gas guzzler tax. Gimme a break.

200 mph? That's what 6th gear is for...you don't need to gear the car up so high. Plus all I've heard from the release to now is the Zo6 will top out about 190, not 200.

 

Well there's a lot of people hearing what they want to hear.

1) Stock v stock : Z06 rapes the GT500

2) A stock Z06 won't run anywhere near 11flat@130

3) '03/'04 Cobras are running 11flat@130 on the stock POS IRS + halfshafts

4) Modded GT500s will run faster than equivalent modded '03/'04s

5) Therefore => insert logic here


Roadracing? Who cares? This is America we don't care about turning.

 

1) Agreed

2) Neither will most cars.

3) See post 2, not stock cars running 11 flat. Even if the IRS is the same, the engine has been modded.

4) Granted

5) Therefore an equally modded Z06 still eats the GT 500/Cobra.

Lots of people care about roadracing.

 

Fixed that right up.

There really isn't a comparison to be drawn here between the two vehicles, at least not a sane one.

I really have to disagree with nuber 3 though, because I know that if they are turning 11 flat on stock rear end, they aren't doing it too often until something decides to stop working.

 

Speaking of which....

With a 3.42 gear and a 7000 rpm redline, it is rather unlikely that the Z06 will top out in 6th gear, don't you think?

I may be biased, and though I don't always completely agree with him (this thread being one of those cases), I kinda think (bad word) that Proud puts quite a bit of thought into his posts - but that's just me.

I live in a glass house though, so I'll quit throwing stones.

 

6 piston brakes on the new Z06... yum. Can't wait until we figure out a way to adapt them to the thirdgen

btw - most entertaining comment:
"Usually amounts to little more than blower swap/tuning/tires/half shafts"

Man what is major moding, strapping down a GE90 to the trunk?

 

Thanks for the kind words... I think?!?!
I'm not responding to junk like his last post anymore - it's not worth it to me.
I read 'em 10 minutes after he posted them, then went back to work.

You know, logic is not always cut and dried. Sometimes we have to look past the tree to see the forest (or dig a little deeper than the first 3 bits of information we get).

Suppose I give you a 3600lb pig with a 390 hp engine, short wheelbase, narrower front track dimension, higher center of gravity, and a higher drag coefficient. Then I give you a 3200lb pig with a 405 hp engine, longer wheelbase, wider track dimension, lower Cg, and lower Cd.
Which one is going to be the best performer in all racing venues?

Well, with my own eyes, I see the first car (your basic 03/04 Cobra) passing me on the right while I am in the 2nd car (a 2004 Z06) doing 127mph down the frontstretch at CMP at @5800rpm in 4th (yes, I am watching the guy's dash while we are not in the turns).
Make sense... NO.
Did it happen... Yup.
Both guys were instructors at a high-performance driving school with many years experience doing this stuff, and they KNOW cars. They also know each other, and I was parked right between them for the entire weekend. Had dinner with them on Saturday night. They have matched their cars many times... sometimes the Vette wins, sometimes the Cobra. One thing is for sure - neither of them ever concedes a thing to the other!

Again, the higher priced Z06 SHOULD outgun the GT500 - and likely will when both are in stock trim... but it won't be an embarassment. And when the original pads are worn, tires are gone, shocks breakdown, and the replacement parts start coming on (aka "mods"), then all bets are off.
I will know which cars is dominant when we get to the track... period.
Until then, I just sit back, reserve judgement, and think of how awesome they both are compared to the rest of the competition.

PS - I'm home now so I will upload some (just a few because they are high res) images of the CMP event. May take a few moments to FTP them.

 

Just for you Charlie!!!
I have 140 digitals plus 2 movies, and a buddy sent me 120 more images that he and his son took while I was in my car driving. The files are HUGE. It took me almost 1 hour to shrink these before ftp'ing them to the server.

IMO, this borders on thread hijacking... My appologies to the originator.
So if you are interested in more images (action shots on the track and such of various cars - including the RX7 that crashed), help me find a website to host the images/movies full-size and I will upload them - I have a T1 connection here at home.

The Cobra that passed me in the Z06 He was street-legal, but changed tires and flashed for the track.
My SSP and the Cobra We got thereFriday morning about 10 minutes apart and parked together.
The Z06 I got to ride in a few times What a wonderful guy! He was very cool, and taught me a lot about the track and driving. The "I7" on his window indicates he is an instructor. He parked beside me on the right.
New C6 that made the event (ran well too). The guy with the red Z06 was the instructor to the guy with this C6. He said it really handled well for a base C6, but he wouldn't trade his Z06 for it, and he didn't like the exposed headlights either.
GTO, Porsche, Fox-bodys, Cobras, BMW's and others...
Tech inspection line with 2 Cobras and CTSv
On track in my car, ahead is an SVO, Porsche, and Cobra
Turn 8 from my car... these photos are during "touring laps" behind a pace car at about 70mph (that's how I was able to pick-up the camera and shoot a few).
Another FAST Cobra all by himself... (again)
A couple of Vettes that made it...
GTO, Mach 1, 05 Mustang GT, 04 Cobra, and others waiting in the starting grid...
This is about 1/2 of my division rolling onto the track for hot laps (I am further back)...
Another grid lineup... this time I am the 3rd in line. I am in the car... see my elbow!
Hot action... the Vette and I cleared everyone (I am just behind the Vette at this point).
Vette and Bimmer duke it out...
More Vettes and Bimmers...

I have a slew of pics - I think I got every car there but don't have the room to post them all!.

Maybe the point to me posting these (aside from Charlie's request) is a tiny attempt to prove to some of you that I am not making this stuff up... I go out and run these things. I drag, bracket race, autoX, and road race. I love them all, and they are all RADICALLY different from each other in how drive them, how you set-up your car, and how your car responds. I get the chance to see these cars perform at their max, and it is not always so cut and dried as internet posters make it out to be.

Bottom line is that any 5th gen Camaro, any Corvette, any Z06, and any GT500 will need to come to events like this and provide the driver with a thrill (win or lose), because THAT is what will make the enthusiasts happy and keep the image of the cars alive. There were 2 2005 V6 Mustangs at this event, and the drivers couldn't have smiled more if they were in a Ferrari Testarossa. THAT'S a sign of a successful design.

Enjoy the pics.

(PS - Charlie, the '76 Camaro RS brought $2250... I hung tight to $1500 then bailed to bid on another Mustang SSP 5spd which went for $1977. )

 

Cool pics Proud. And I was wondering if you ever bought that car. The SSP Mustang was probably the better deal.

BTW, is that blue masking tape on a couple of those Vettes? http://www.yadtel.net/~gcreed1/pics/track/100_0360.JPG

That's a good idea.

 

www.putfile.com will host your vids. I have several on there...

http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=cosby1162
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=CosbyMIR
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=bobcosbyinterview1
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=cosby1195

Anything under 10mb is fair game.

 

That's pretty damn cool.

 

Why, oh why, do people insist on comparing GM's 2-seater, $70k+, flagship sports-car to Ford's 4-seater, $40k uplevel ponycar?


And when a C6 Z06 is looking at my taillights on a hit from a light, I really don't care how well it can barrel into a turn.

That's just me.

S.

 

I never meant to insinuate that your opinion was trash with my remarks, as I am sure the teachers at the school have plenty of backround in performance racing. I just can't help but notice that in an all out full race trim scenario, Vettes are always placed in a higher tier racing bracket than Mustangs, and there is a reason behind that madness. You could probably make a Mustang move faster around the track than a new Ferrari F430, but in full race trim I really really doubt the Mustang will have a chance against the Ferrari.

I did not mean to imply any disrespect though, except maybe to bigbluecruiser, as he is to Ford as Redzed is to Nissan (although I think Redzed writes his posts much better.)