the stripes damn well be painted on the real car. The pre fab stickers look like ****. other than that and the horse on the gas cap its a very nice looking car. Wouldnt have gone with the color combo but thats up to the ******** behind the wheel. Sad Chev couldnt see this coming. Bravo Ford you win.

 

500 horses for under 40G always looks good.

But I do hope SVT makes an effort to make a MEAN and CLEAN stang, the opposite of the Saleen look.

I like the hood vents. And no huge jutting out front bumper(unless it really works, of course). I'll accept lower body work that actually creates downforce, but if it ain't real then leave it off...

Aaaaarrrghh!! -> Just think Porsche 911 Turbo.

 

Really fat *** Porsche 911 Turbo with a solid rear axle.

However, you can't argue with that kind of power for that price, and as much as I don't like the new stangs, I could look past their suckiness for a vehicle with that kind of raw potential.

 

I wish the Shelby lettering would stay off the back. If I had the car, I would pull it off myself, unless of course Ford decided to actually go and paint it on

They should have just called it the Mustang Cobra, it has been working pretty well 11 years.

 

I must say, the Cobra is impressive, but, not as impressive as a bunch of GTP owners doggin a car that is well above the league of a Grand Prix.

WOW

 

Personally, I like it. Now before you tale away my Camaro fan membership, I will say I would far prefer a Camaro, even if it has slightly less hp Personally though, I really think we should be thanking FoMoCo for having the ***** to stick with, let alone restyle, the 'Stang. I firmly believe that it is the runaway success of the car that loosened up the bean-counters enough to let people like Scott not only be heard, but but get things underway.

As far as the performance, tip-o-the-cap to Ford. 450+ hp from the factory, plus the potential for 500+ easily attainable from everything we hear, is one hell of a statement. I sincerely hope the new Camaro SS is in the same league as the GT500, I hate the taste of Camaro dust

 

Hmmm....[rant]I'm not impressed. It's just a pig, plain and simple, 3,850 lbs, (or whatever it is), is nuts. And you gotta' know that the weight distribution is horrible, (I believe it's 57/43...), so there goes your handling. I do like the fact that the shelby name isn't on it though, I'm much more into the "COBRA". Also, I'm sure that with the awesome aerodynamics of this car that it will be great at speed ....I'm willing to bet that thing won't do so well as the speeds climb, it's great that it has all that horsepower, but it's sort of dumb when people are saying the GT's get light at like 120, the Cobra can't be much better....Honestly if it was my money I was spending why would I want that??? I'd go out and find a mint low miles '04 Cobra and use the ton of money that I saved, (you know the mark up from the dealers will be real bad), to do stuff to it. Without even doing anything it's already better looking. Put SFC's on it and the chassis should be just a rigid, (for the most part). Then you can do some motor work, and in the end you have saved money,and got yourself better looking car and also one that doesn't weigh 2 tons so maybe it will be able to actually go around corners, (Wasn't that one of SVT's biggest goals?....A more rounded package for more than just straight line driving...Seems to me they are failing miserably ). So, what is the appeal of this new car Or any of the new Mustangs for that matter...Would someone please explain it to me, 'cause I'm stumped [/rant]

 

Yet IIRC the new GT is close to the handling of the current Cobra if not better. Yay sucks to be Ford.



Let's wait and see what it will do before we start making claims about it being a horrible handler. People said that about the GT and it obviously is doing rather well for itself.

 

Fair enough, I meant to put in that only time would tell about the new Cobra's performance...Regardless, I'm not impressed as of yet with it...You never know though The one thing I found is that the new GT is unproportional looking, (the rear end looks huge and too long), when your up next to it and you don't really realize it as much in the pics. The new Cobra looks nice for what it is but my vote goes for the Terminator, at least in the looks department

PS: What does IIRC mean?

 

I have seen a mule in person with no vents on the hood. It is plain jane. There are a BUNCH and I do mean a BUNCH! of mules running around.

I sure hope the hood in the link provided does not make it. Or I just may keep my 04...... Who the hell am I kidding!

Actually. The seats are my only concern. If they feel nicer then the 04's Im all over it. SVT screwed the seats up in the 04. 01's were way nicer.

 

I wouldn't call a car that'll blow the doors off a C6 potential. It's realized.

Now the potential is there to go Z06 hunting.

 

I would say that NO mustang based car will be hunting a 3100 lb 500 hp hardcore Z06 no matter how much power you make it put out it will NOT be able to touch the Z06 because it just couldn't get the grip, on factory tires, to touch it in the 1/4 and we know that the Z06 would rip it to shreds in the curves. Now if you are talking about a 2 seat Shelby Cobra then I could see that but it would have NOTHING based on Mustang at all.

 

And I would say you need to get out of the house more often and go to the tracks...
I just spent 3 days watching the current 03/04 Cobras duke it out with 03/04 Z06 cars on a 14-turn, 2.4 mile road course. Both modded with cages, brakes, and such. These cars are nothing short of spectacular - BOTH of them. I was riding in a modded 2004 Z06 when we got passed by a 2003 Cobra, and the Cobra pushed us through 4 or 5 turns waiting for the pass. Granted, I added about 200lbs of disadvantage to the Z06 I was in, but still - I'm telling you, these cars are PHENOMENAL.

What I saw (and rode in) led me to the conclusion that the cars are so closely matched (even after mods) that it comes down to driver ability and who made the least # of mistakes. Given the new Z06 has more power (which probably won't matter much since the 03/04 cars there were modded anyways) and given the new weight distribution, suspension, and power of the new GT500 (which probably won't matter much since the 03/04 cars there were modded anyways) - I'd say they are still going to be duking it out pretty steady and even!

And don't get your panties wadded all up over the power and/or handling either. Both are required for a performance car, but trade-offs are viable. I saw my instructor in his 1986 BMW 325 with a 170hp I6 hanging right in there with the Porsche 914's, Corvettes, and Cobras. Oh he got passed, but not embarrased - I can assure you.

I stated in another thread that I am utterly amazed (and pleasantly surprised) at how the Cobra and Z06 have come to dominate the open track sessions around the country lately. There seems to have been some unspoken "revolution" about 3 years ago which ushered out the imports, and ushered in the Z06 and Cobra. It really did my heart good to see so many dominating over Porsches, BMWs, Lotus', and the like at recent events.

Not flaming or ripping at you ar anyone else in this thread, just trying to post some actual experience and first-hand observations to invite folks not to do too much armchair quarterbacking based on some numbers we are still basically guessing at because neither car is in full-blown production yet.

 

What part about an 11flat@130 '03/'04 Cobra won't "touch" the new Z06 in the 1/4 mile? It'll be even worse(depending on your POV) with the new Cobra.

And as Mr. Pony has personally attested to, the current Cobra's are quite competitive with Z06's on the twisties.

 

I think the new Cobra seems great and all, but I still don't think it is going z06 hunting. Sorry. A car with less power (or perhaps the same, let us see the dyno graphs first) and 750lbs on the z06 is not going to be its road course nightmare. The new Cobra will mod easy, but so will the new LS7. Guys at ls1tech.com are already talking about 100rwhp gains with just a cam and longtubes, due to the nature of the engine being so restricted.

Its also not that easy to get an 11 flat out of an 03/04, and still keep it competitive in the twisties. The cars don't launch very well, at least in my experience, and need a much better suspension setup for the strip. Probably also going to need to swap out the stock eaton for another power adder, or at least spray it. Besides, I could buy a used z06 for around $30k and spray the car in the low 11s for cheap as well, so that is no huge feat there.

I am in more of a position to buy a GT500 than a new z06, and I would certainly buy the GT500 if the Camaro alternative in the next few years isn't up to spec, but I still live in reality, and know that the new z06 is simply more car.