I hung in there up to $1500 as I said I would, but the bidding went nuts in the last few minutes. I was amazed the car broke $2k. Maybe that is a good sign that the market is smiling on these old 1970's vintage Camaros, Firebirds, and Mustangs.
And yes, you can't go wrong with an original 77k mile SSP 5-spd car for $1977.

As for the tape...you are close - it's not masking tape but a type of vinyl tape (like electrical tape). It has low tack so it won't leave adhesive on the finish when removed, and it is thicker for addidtional protection.
Guys with $50-70k in their cars seem driven to protect their finish from stone chips, rubber, and road debris.
Hell, I buy 'em to DRIVE 'EM!!! No tape for me thanks.

The guy with the CTSv used about a half-roll on his car because he hadn't had it but 3 months... it ended up half covered! I don't blame him though... the car was awesome - I can't describe to you how cool that car sounded screaming down the frontstretch.

 

No foul, no harm.
I'm a big boy anyways, I can take some heat from time to time.
Your posts were not really the ones that were found disrespectful anyways.

I just get ripped when some people sit in front of a keyboard for hours, read a few posts and see a few stats, and think all things in the real world "must comply". Once in a while, I try to bring some reality back into a discussion - sometimes it sticks, sometimes I end up wearing it.

 

1) Agreed.
2) One of those few being a lightly modded GT500.
3) Agreed.
4) Agreed.
5) Agreed. a Z06 owner who drops a $20K SC/Forged shortblock LS7 in will whup a spooled up GT500 with a pulley/exhaust/tune

I knew it was a simple communication problem.

 

At this point let's agree to disagree about points 2 and 5, and wait for the cars to come out. The Cobra is a fine car, and very well may be the ultimate pony car to date if it performs up to expectations, but the Z06 is in another realm.

 

I'll go ahead and disagree with this statement as well. Now we'll just wait for next summer.

 

And you may well be one of the only people in this world that thinks the way you do (besides some extreme pro-Ford guys like yourself on the internet). I'll go ahead and say that there is absolutely no doubt as to what the magazines will think, or the press, as to that effect either.

 

Way to hyper exaggerate the price. Didn't know they were charging $20k for low compression forged pistons now. Its ok though, in case you didn't know, the new z06 is coming with the ls7 already installed, so the owners won't need to drop a shortblock in.

I am not trying to say the GT500 sucks, because it in no way does, but your ridiculous Ford rhetoric seems to know no bounds.

 

2) It is very likely that a C6 Z06 with Drag Radials can accomplish low 11's. Predictions from most sources seem to be mid 11's on street tires.

Remember that some C5 Z06's hit high 11's bone stock!

We will not need to wait until next summer. There will be a Z06 vs. Ford GT comparison long before that and it will put any hopes of a GT500 vs. Z06 compaison to rest.

Does anyone doubt that the Z06 will out brake the Ford GT (C5 Z did!)?
Does anyone doubt that the GT will have a higher top speed than the Z06?
Does anyone doubt that laptimes will be very very close?
Does anyone doubt that 1/4 mile times will be very close?

What the Z lacks in power it makes up for in braking and weight. These two cars will be very very close in competition and of course we will have to wait for numbers until we can know for sure. The Z lapped Nurburgring in 7:42.9 but we cant compare that to the Ford GT because it didnt even run THE WORLDS ROADRACING BENCHMARK! I guess the best way to make sure you dont "tarnish" the GT40 heritage is not to run the car?!?

Once we see Z06 numbers and compare them to the Ford GT, or read a Ford GT vs. Z06 comparison, this GT500 talk will be laughable.

 

Yup. I myself predicted a mid 11@125 over a year ago for a bone stock Z06. Judging from that pre-production run of 12.4@120, I may have been over optomistic.




Geez, the unwillingness to comprehend is unbelievable.

READ ... VERY ... SLOWLY

There are already daily driver modded Cobras outrunning the most optomistic expectations for the new Z06.

The GT500 will give even greater gains per dollar mod than the old Cobra not to mention being significantly faster bone stock than the old car.

On the street and at the strip, stock Z06s will be Cobra food for a GT500 with pulley/tune/exhaust ~> about $1K in mods. I'm predicting high 10s


Here. If it'll make you chevy fanboys feel any better, a moderately modded GT500 will ALSO smoke a bone stock Ford GT supercar at the track.


As for your expected results in a GT/Z06 matchup, what's hilarious is that you think a car down by at least 100hp is going to come anywhere near the GT's acceleration times and trap speeds. I'm looking forward to a car rag matchup just to put an end to the ridiculous GT-Z06 comparison.

 

Go price a supercharged/built forged engine swap from Lingenfelter. You'll be lucky to get in and out for $20K. I'm sure no self respecting Z06 owner is going to do FI on the cheap.

There's forged pistons and then there's forged pistons. If a Z06 owner wants to believe he can just "strap" on a blower and just go... well more power to him.

I don't think the Z06 sucks either. It's the best sports car for the money. The GT500 is the best muscle car for the money. Sometimes they'll cross paths.

Lemme put it this way. If I said my 1987 GN will rape the new Z06 at the track. Who wouldn't believe me? Everyone knows what a modded GN will do. They run 10s for under a few thousand in mods. Well it's simple. Ford built themselves a 2005 GN and it handles and does a lot of other crap a good performance car should do. Not Z06 good, but good enough.

 

Ok, for once I actually think I agree with you.

Why would a z06 only need a forged engine swap from lingenfelter though? The only things in the engine that need to be changed out are the crappy cast pistons for lower compression forged ones, and maybe make a switch to inconel exhaust valves if so desired. I don't think the forged steel crank, or forged titanium connecting rods are gonna go any time soon. I know it can be a pain in the *** putting new pistons in an engine, especially when the said engine needs to come out of the car, but it isn't a $20k job by a long shot.

 

I know a guy ( he's an older GM guy w/a 70 Chevelle), who got his wife a new Mustang during that time frame, and that was why he said he didn't get a Camaro! I tend to like All F-bodies not just certain gens. Oh...I like some more than others definately starting w/1st gens. And I actually liked the 98 redesign even though it had a catfish look, it had obvious 2nd gen RETRO( OH NO!) cues IMO, which I also think mercedes robbed on one of thier cars. I don't know which one, and could care less, only that I know I've seen them around! As for the Slowbra (just trying to get things back to normal, so when The American Badass returns the rivalry's still hot ) it looks like an 05 mudstain ( couldn't help it, its a process ) w/ stripes, they're like any other cars, when hooked up....CAN look pretty damn good! And it looks pretty damn good for a secretaries ( Shelby's words ) car. Shelby did a damn good job on the old mudstain back then, we'll have to wait and see what the boys in blue can come up with on this next Cobra! I just can't figure out how its not out, and yet people have it pumped all the way up to 500 hp already? I can't help wondering if its gonna be like the next gen lightning that never happened?

 

I wanna see all these cars that are gonna out-perform the Z06 (in any or all categories) and how much money it will take. Even if you have a faster M*stang, you still have a M*stang and not a stock purpose built 505HP 427 C6.

 

Exactly!!! None of these cars are even out yet and we have talk of Benz's taking out Z06's for the same money or mildly massaged Cobras taking out Z06's for $20,000 less....I mean really, can't we wait until the vaporware solidifies?

 

IMHO, when ppl are fed a constant diet of , over time.... those ppl, become much more susceptible to being sold alot of......................