Not replace it totaly, but they will basicly be the same size. If this makes it to Europe, whats the point of Opel having both an EPII and this RWD chassis? And if an EPII Vectra is replaced with a RWD Vectra, then what happens to the tie with Aura here in the US? Does it just continue to go on its own way with a design "inspired" by Opel?

 

To say that they will be Epsilon sized is an assumption. Which Epsilon? They will be bigger than Kappa, for sure. But probably smaller than the larger Epsilons.

I'm expecting 2+2 coupes, sedans, convertibles and others.

 

My guess as well, though I wonder if Saturn might eventially end up with one.

Not a prediction, just thinking aloud.

 

Any idea how this is going to play out in the renaissance? Is it just a facelift for '08?



From Edmunds: Inside Line

 

I'm glad to see they're keeping the Vibe, I always liked it and thought it fit Pontiac's image well. Like the blurb says, an engine upgrade would be welcome, as would the ability to go toe to toe with the likes of the Honda Fit and Mazda 3.

 

I'm not sure of what the Vibe's long term future is, beyond say 2010.

 

What would happen to NUMMI if the Vibe were discontinued?

 

Who says GM wants to continue a working relationship with Toyota? This is purely me speaking aloud.

But, do you find it easy to work side by side with somebody who wants your spot in the "workforce" per say?

 

How many GTO's have they sold, compared to the last couple of years of Camaro's or Trans Ams??
I can't help feeling that the sluggish economy keeps many from pay over 30K for a sports coupe...in a couple of years maybe....
But something more in a Firebird's segment, even if not a Firebird, would seem to fair far better.

 

I think it's pretty safe to say that more Camaro/Firebirds were sold at over $30K in 2002 than GTO's sold over $30K in 2006.

And I know I'm going to regret this..... <tin foil hat ON>

Sluggish economy? All the leading indicators say otherwise.

 

If that's the case, why did the amount of Kappas outsell the GTO in 2006? Style.

The GTO should have appealed to more people than it did. Afterall it has a useable backseat. The Solstice has been knocked left and right for its "lack of trunk space" as well as its "lack of power" and even it's "hard to operate top" yet it still sold more GTO's, even in the same sluggish economy.

 

I think the GTO would have done better with 4 doors too. I know there are people out there who are still thinking 1970 and would go into apoplexy at the thought of a 4 door GTO, but it would have sold better. Because of child seat laws, a two-door is much less useful now than it was in 1970.

 

I think that there are so many factors at play here. The dealers can take their share of the blame - especially for the 2004 model. But ultimately, the GTO never really captured the attention of the buying public. Some were turned off by it's styling. Many were turned off by it's lack of useability. It was a sedan based coupe, with none of the swoopiness of a coupe and none of the utility of a sedan. I agree with teal98, it would have sold better as a sedan.

 

price might've had something to do with it.


plus they never sold it in canada

not that i'm pissed about that......

 

Yeah, but keep in mind that GM already "used" the sedan design as the Cadillac Catera, and not only did it fail to set any loins on fire, they'd be ripped for bringing it back as a Pontiac.

I think the lack of styling flair really dampened the demand.. Bottom line is that it's tough to sell a $30K car that looks nearly identical to your $20K car. Most people that spend that kind of money want some psychological feedback from others for their dollars. (And a sunroof!)