THANK you. I've been wondering the same.

 

Do you have any actual life beyond this forum? It seems you spend all your waking hours defending almighty Nissan here. I chime in with maybe a few posts a day, like most GM fans coming here. Why don't you hang out with other Nissan fans more, on their sites? Not that you're not welcome here... but wow. (Maybe Nissan pays you to do this all day and night?)

 

Well we know he works for Nissan, just not what his job is...you could be on to something

jk Robert

 

Actually that would be kind of a fun job

 

Once again, this award is about a car's significance to the market. Sorry, but the G8 just didn't have that big of an impact.

The G8's only saving grace is that its RWD and has an optional V8, which isn't even that powerful. On top of that the G8 is relatively stripped option wise. There just isn't much ground breaking about the car.

For what its worth, the Hyundai is more powerful with less displacement than a G8... whoever thought we'd see a powertrain like that from a Hyundai? In a $40,000 luxury car no less that's just as nice if not better than the German and Japanese competitioin. That's part of the reason the car is such a surprise to many people.

Like it or not, like GTR, Genesis and XF (possibly Jaguar's savior) had much more impact on the market as a whole this year than the G8.

 

You could say the same about the GTR, but performance wise! It runs with cars costing much more, just like the Z06 was hailed for doing when it first came out.

Here's a question for the GTR haters in the thread. Say Nissan disables launch control on next years model. Now the car goes 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, and probably does the quarter in the high 11's. Transmission issues are now gone from the car. It still out laps a lot of exotics and even the "all mighty" Z06 on many a road course. Are you going to say that this car isn't impressive considering the content for the price?

If you ask me, when a '09 Z06 starts at $73,925, that this car is a failure when for another $4000 you get one of the best AWD systems in the world, a TT DOHC V6, a dual clutch transmission, 15" front and rear brakes, better tires, performance computer and a back seat? Its a livable super car that you could potentially drive year round. And the fact that it performs as well as it does despite its 3800lbs curb weight?

I'm sorry but if the only way you can bash the car is the transmission issue... It definitely runs with the best out there.

I know these cars don't sell for MSRP, but what limited sports car does when it first comes out? I remember seeing Z06's for sale with $20,000 mark ups when they first dropped.

 

Since you post here more per day than I do, maybe you need to ask that question of yourself.

Does GM pay you to berate Nissan (you seem to make it a point to do so at every opportunity)?

 

I'm not, nor have I ever said that the GT-R isn't impressive. I do however have issues with the less than truthful, and misleading way in which is was presented to the public upon its launch. And I especially have trouble with the lack of accountablity that the rags are not enforcing on the issue with the questionable times, etc.

With all that being said, the Chevrolet ZO6 has never been the MTCOTY. It's too limited in sales in my opinion to be included, both in quantity and in the sales price.

2008 Cadillac CTS
2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe / Sedan
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M

That's the list of the previous 10 winners. Now given the price point of all of these cars, and then compare that with the GT-R and tell me what's wrong with that picture? Choosing the Genesis would be right in line with what this award has come to represent. Choosing a car that is rare and $30k more than any previous winner, all because of the numbers it put down (and questionable ones at that), is a complete 180* from the prior criteria.

 

COTY to a car in the $80k price range in time dominated by a huge, huge financial downturn?

Yeah, Motor Trend is in touch...

Nice performing and, arguably an ugly car... subjective point? I suppose. It looks very much Japanese. To my eyes the Japanese school of design is a little wierd.

No better time to suggest that it takes more than $77 large to get a car that's seen as a forward looking, EPA's at what...16/21... It's really funny if you give it some thought.

 

"Maybe Nissan pays you to do this all day and night?" A nissan plant.....I've been thinkin' that for a long time now! "To my eyes the Japanese school of design is a little wierd."<<<You're NOT alone man! They always look funny to me too!

 

I suppose if you want to split hairs, then yes it's true. You've posted only 20 times per month on average as a member, me roughly 23. Not much of a difference, except for one thing. I'm here posting as a GM fan, on a Camaro fan site - mostly to express my admiration and appreciation for GM cars I love. However for you, it's clearly the opposite. Now I want to be clear... it's perfectly your right, and it's great to see fresh viewpoints on things (up to a point ). But don't you miss chatting with your other Nissan chums? I mean wow, if this were a local car cruise, I picture you as the guy with the 240Z who shows up among a gaggle of SS Chevelle owners, saying "Hi guys! Ain't my Datsun looking cool?!" Nothing wrong with that... but reminds me of those guys in the mideast who beat themselves with little whips for their religion (Why torture yourself?)

BTW. I don't get a penny of support from GM - in any way, shape or form. I come from a family who had Fords, Chrysler products, and GM's in their past... and all I've owned is Pontiacs and Chevys. I just like domestics - grew up that way and here I am. My first car was a 70 Chevelle, and I've been hooked on honkin' American V8's ever since

 

Well put. There's a lot of 'sensationalism' surrounding this car... but when you stand back and look at it... it's not all that outstanding. It's been proven to have a glass powertrain. It gets mediocre MPG, and breaks no new ground in performance/economy. It's got quirky styling. It's not breaking any new ground in value/$. Sure, it performs well. But overall it's not got much of a case as a 'world-beating design', when you stand back and look at it objectively. EXCEPT, if you are a magazine, trying to sell a lot of copies

 

The big 3 need to start paying these magazines a lot of money for some good press on themselves, haha.

 

Fuel mileage is a wonderful thing but I've never bought or not bought a vehicle because of MPG nor do I ever plan to do so.

I would also think that anyone that concerned with MPGs probably shouldn't be looking at high performance vehicles (at least not as an overall category).

 

Is $70-$80K a lot for a car? Yes.

But when you adjust for average family incomes during the past 10 years, you would find that at least 6 of those 10 would (or at least should) be out of the price range of the vast majority of people in this country.

If MT's main criteria was affordability for the "average" family, most of the vehicles it considers each year would be disqualified.