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12-02-2008, 01:20 PM
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12-02-2008, 01:27 PM
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That's an internet myth.
For one, the "after racing" inspection is recommended; not required (although anyone who takes his car to a track day and/or races it without doing major preventative maintenance/inspection is not very bright in my opinion).
Second, if the inspection is done, the cost is likely to be much closer to $250-$300; not $1K.
I wasn't referring to wear...obviously tires will wear based on how the owner drives his/her car...what I was referring to is that you should always replace all four on the GT-R when one needs to be replaced.
For one, the "after racing" inspection is recommended; not required (although anyone who takes his car to a track day and/or races it without doing major preventative maintenance/inspection is not very bright in my opinion).
Second, if the inspection is done, the cost is likely to be much closer to $250-$300; not $1K.
As for tires, they should have more even wear because of all-wheel-drive, I wouldn't expect the tires to be roasted more than that of another powerful sports car.
12-02-2008, 02:08 PM
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12-02-2008, 02:30 PM
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I talked to my local dealer in regards to those issues some time ago and I was told by their service manager (who I had look it up to be sure) that to avoid warranty disputes on the driveline, any time the black box detects it has been raced the vehicle "should be brought to the dealer or you risk voiding your warranty". That was the official response.
He did discover the issue of abusing the electronics (overuse of launch control or disable of VDC) and voiding the warranty though. Again, he reccomended you brought it in for the "after racing" inspection after using these features. Voiding the warranty based on their use was up to the service manager's opinion - so again he said he would reccomend the full inspection.
Tell me how that inspection sounds.
It sounds like it is required service or they'll use it against you.
I then asked them what that service would include...
Transmission flush - $120 (labor included)
Differential flush - $70 (labor included)
Oil change - $80 (labor included)
Brake fluid flush - $110 (labor included)
Steering flush - $70 (labor included)
Remove all 4 wheels, check the balance, rebalance as necessary. Check all pads and rotors, replace as necessary. Then check the alignment. He couldnt price me on the pads/rotors at the time, but the rest of the time and labor was $100 for that chunk.
A full diagnostic was $110 - (which was same charge as a modern diagnostic on an OBD II vehicle)
Suspension and emissions hardware check - $70 (labor included)
Not including anything else thats about $670. Which would come to $720 after tax. Look at the prices of the individual service items. None of them are out of line from a dealership - and knowing that (1) one of the top mechanics would be allocated for the better part of a day and (2) all of the fluids used on the car are synthetic - the prices are right in line.
And for 2010 the GTR wont have launch control anymore, which kills the previously claimed 0-60 time. And with an MSRP starting at $77k it is now more expensive than a Z06.
So the 3.2 second 0-60 is changed to 3.9 seconds. Which means it is slower than its main competition as well. Still is very fast though... but it is just one more instance where the car couldnt live up to the hype.
COTY? Should have gone to the Genesis sedan. That is an impressive vehicle that *exceeds* the hype.
Besides Robert - what are you getting all worked up for?
The 370Z (lighter, plenty of power, much cheaper, better looking etc) is more of a driver's car anyway and you're already getting one
Seriously, after all this I'd much rather own a 370z than a GTR.
Last time I checked this was still CZ28.com......right?
12-02-2008, 02:54 PM
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(This was before the whole traction control/launch control fiasco came up)
I talked to my local dealer in regards to those issues some time ago and I was told by their service manager (who I had look it up to be sure) that to avoid warranty disputes on the driveline, any time the black box detects it has been raced the vehicle "should be brought to the dealer or you risk voiding your warranty". That was the official response.
He did discover the issue of abusing the electronics (overuse of launch control or disable of VDC) and voiding the warranty though. Again, he reccomended you brought it in for the "after racing" inspection after using these features. Voiding the warranty based on their use was up to the service manager's opinion - so again he said he would reccomend the full inspection.
Tell me how that inspection sounds.
It sounds like it is required service or they'll use it against you.
I then asked them what that service would include...
Myth? You pulled that number straight out of your behind. I got him to ballpark the different items and only wanted the required items on the inspection according to what his book tells him to do. That is what I got.
Transmission flush - $120 (labor included)
Differential flush - $70 (labor included)
Oil change - $80 (labor included)
Brake fluid flush - $110 (labor included)
Steering flush - $70 (labor included)
Remove all 4 wheels, check the balance, rebalance as necessary. Check all pads and rotors, replace as necessary. Then check the alignment. He couldnt price me on the pads/rotors at the time, but the rest of the time and labor was $100 for that chunk.
A full diagnostic was $110 - (which was same charge as a modern diagnostic on an OBD II vehicle)
Suspension and emissions hardware check - $70 (labor included)
Not including anything else thats about $670. Which would come to $720 after tax. Look at the prices of the individual service items. None of them are out of line from a dealership - and knowing that (1) one of the top mechanics would be allocated for the better part of a day and (2) all of the fluids used on the car are synthetic - the prices are right in line.
And for 2010 the GTR wont have launch control anymore, which kills the previously claimed 0-60 time. And with an MSRP starting at $77k it is now more expensive than a Z06.
So the 3.2 second 0-60 is changed to 3.9 seconds. Which means it is slower than its main competition as well. Still is very fast though... but it is just one more instance where the car couldnt live up to the hype.
COTY? Should have gone to the Genesis sedan. That is an impressive vehicle that *exceeds* the hype.
Besides Robert - what are you getting all worked up for?
The 370Z (lighter, plenty of power, much cheaper, better looking etc) is more of a driver's car anyway and you're already getting one
Seriously, after all this I'd much rather own a 370z than a GTR.
I talked to my local dealer in regards to those issues some time ago and I was told by their service manager (who I had look it up to be sure) that to avoid warranty disputes on the driveline, any time the black box detects it has been raced the vehicle "should be brought to the dealer or you risk voiding your warranty". That was the official response.
He did discover the issue of abusing the electronics (overuse of launch control or disable of VDC) and voiding the warranty though. Again, he reccomended you brought it in for the "after racing" inspection after using these features. Voiding the warranty based on their use was up to the service manager's opinion - so again he said he would reccomend the full inspection.
Tell me how that inspection sounds.
It sounds like it is required service or they'll use it against you.
I then asked them what that service would include...
Myth? You pulled that number straight out of your behind. I got him to ballpark the different items and only wanted the required items on the inspection according to what his book tells him to do. That is what I got.
Transmission flush - $120 (labor included)
Differential flush - $70 (labor included)
Oil change - $80 (labor included)
Brake fluid flush - $110 (labor included)
Steering flush - $70 (labor included)
Remove all 4 wheels, check the balance, rebalance as necessary. Check all pads and rotors, replace as necessary. Then check the alignment. He couldnt price me on the pads/rotors at the time, but the rest of the time and labor was $100 for that chunk.
A full diagnostic was $110 - (which was same charge as a modern diagnostic on an OBD II vehicle)
Suspension and emissions hardware check - $70 (labor included)
Not including anything else thats about $670. Which would come to $720 after tax. Look at the prices of the individual service items. None of them are out of line from a dealership - and knowing that (1) one of the top mechanics would be allocated for the better part of a day and (2) all of the fluids used on the car are synthetic - the prices are right in line.
And for 2010 the GTR wont have launch control anymore, which kills the previously claimed 0-60 time. And with an MSRP starting at $77k it is now more expensive than a Z06.
So the 3.2 second 0-60 is changed to 3.9 seconds. Which means it is slower than its main competition as well. Still is very fast though... but it is just one more instance where the car couldnt live up to the hype.
COTY? Should have gone to the Genesis sedan. That is an impressive vehicle that *exceeds* the hype.
Besides Robert - what are you getting all worked up for?
The 370Z (lighter, plenty of power, much cheaper, better looking etc) is more of a driver's car anyway and you're already getting one
Seriously, after all this I'd much rather own a 370z than a GTR.
As far as the warranty goes; while service managers like to think they control what is or isn't covered under warranty; I've gone toe to toe with several "service mangers" in my years (including several "GM" dealers) who thought their decision was the final word and prevailed over them...it's the manufacturer who pays for warranty work and it's the manufacturer who ultimately decides - Nissan has said on more than one occasion that taking your GT-R to track days does not void the warranty so what an individual dealer service manager says is not at all the final word.
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12-02-2008, 04:43 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if it is dropped but I wouldn't bet the farm one way or the other just yet.
12-02-2008, 06:29 PM
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As I understand it; the entire quote is...
"A Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
Whoever said it, I believe it - maybe I just need to take off the reference of "who" said it.
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12-02-2008, 06:48 PM
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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
Ford, not Jefferson.
A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.
Presidential address to a joint session of Congress (12 August 1974)
Ford has also been quoted as having made a similar statement many years earlier, as a representative to the US Congress: "If the government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have."
"If Elected, I Promise…" : Stories and Gems of Wisdom by and About Politicians (1960) p. 193
Presidential address to a joint session of Congress (12 August 1974)
Ford has also been quoted as having made a similar statement many years earlier, as a representative to the US Congress: "If the government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have."
"If Elected, I Promise…" : Stories and Gems of Wisdom by and About Politicians (1960) p. 193
Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases.
Commonly quoted on many websites, this quotation is actually from Gerald Ford's August 12th, 1974 address to Congress.
Commonly quoted on many websites, this quotation is actually from Gerald Ford's August 12th, 1974 address to Congress.
12-02-2008, 07:24 PM
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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
Ford, not Jefferson.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
Ford, not Jefferson.
