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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:32 AM
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Re: More shots of '07 Commodore....including undercarriage!

I think there are deffinalty several roads this all could pan out, going from good to way bad
Best Case as I see it.
GM approves the building of Sigma lite, which spawns many different variants such as mid sized coupes, to large sedans with varrying arrays of powertrains.
This would give us Camaro, GTO, and several large RWD sedans and possibly a "Ute" type pick up. This could be used to sell near and far, and shared with Europe as well.

I could only hope that Sigma-Lite is also ready for AWD action, or in the end it could be a big waste.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Fair enough Josh.

But what would this new GTO be built off of? The current VZ can't be built for NA after next August. With all the VE variants coming online, I can't see Holden having the resources to do a coupe anytime soon.

The only chance that I can see for an '08 GTO is if GM spends the bucks to certify the current car for future front impact standards. And really, as far as I know.....no one is even talking about that.
In case no one knows, the standards in question is a new airbag standard that comes on line for cars produced after September 1 2006. This new airbag standard is in short meant to protect unbuckled occupants who aren't properly seated in the front (passenger) seat. This will tend to have the effect of putting side air bags on most cars, and different airbags up front on cars not already designed for this standard.

GM (as of mid-late August) still had not made a decision as to spend the money to redo the airbags on the GTO to comply. If the GTO is to expire on schedule late next summer (the end of the 2006 model year), or if GTO was going to continue for just 1 year, the answer is almost certainly not. GM could just pass the cost on, but that's extremely unlikely.

If the GTO were extended for 2 years (possible, but also questionable) then it would be a non issue. With Holden eliminating a shift, I doubt this & I also doubt the next Monaro-GTO will be made there even though Holden's seems to ba about to (or already has) wrapped up design and fixed hardpoints.

Originally Posted by SSbaby
Undercar pics and ... OMG...I can't believe you car guys are discussing 'mufflers'!

It looks like a double wishbone rear setup there, to me? Somebody please confirm as the undercar pic is a little less detailed than I would like.
Something similar to double wishbone out back.

Originally Posted by 00cls1camaross
looks ugly
No it doesn't. Why do you think the car has so much cammo on?


Originally Posted by Z28x
I thought GM already anounced the 2008 GTO is a go

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/07/29/new_gto/
The next GTO IS a go. I think what's meant is that the it will be out in 2008..... as a 2009 model.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 12:20 PM
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Re: More shots of '07 Commodore....including undercarriage!

Originally Posted by Josh452
If a vehicle debuts in Detroit that essentially leaves two full years for the enthusiasts at GM to convince the bean counters at GM a profit can be made off a mass produced Sigma Lite architecture.
The Mustang and 300/Chrager should have done that already
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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Re: More shots of '07 Commodore....including undercarriage!

Originally Posted by Big Als Z
I think there are deffinalty several roads this all could pan out, going from good to way bad
Best Case as I see it.
GM approves the building of Sigma lite, which spawns many different variants such as mid sized coupes, to large sedans with varrying arrays of powertrains.
This would give us Camaro, GTO, and several large RWD sedans and possibly a "Ute" type pick up. This could be used to sell near and far, and shared with Europe as well.

I could only hope that Sigma-Lite is also ready for AWD action, or in the end it could be a big waste.
There are 2 current Sigmas: the "small" one (Cadillac CTS) and the "AWD" one (Cadillac STS & SRX). Sigma is our "Zeta". As Mark Reuss mentioned, taking cost out of the chassis was their priority, and the AWD version seems to be the chassis that's getting the work. I was quoted 3 different chassis, but by all indications I've heard to date, it's the same chassis but different lengths & wheebases.

Impala is going nowhere. It's going to remain FWD and the next Impala is going to be FWD-AWD. That means the Chevrolet Sedan is going to be a bigger car. My guess is that it's going to be around Bonneville-sized.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 12:51 PM
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Good on the Bonneville size. The Impala is too close to the Malibu in size - IMO.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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Re: More shots of '07 Commodore....including undercarriage!

Originally Posted by Josh452
I'm willing to bet a months salary that IF (big if) there is a rolling Chevy concept on this years show scene it will be a production ready underbody with concept sheet metal and not many things left to tweak.
Don't bet him he is commissioned and doesn't get Salary.

Seriously Josh's senario seems VERY likely given the little info we have to go on I guess we are just left with "Faith."
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Don't bet him he is commissioned and doesn't get Salary.

Seriously Josh's senario seems VERY likely given the little info we have to go on I guess we are just left with "Faith."
I'm comissioned and salary

I'll say this...people are staying real, real quiet at GM about NAIAS. The people that do the rolling concepts aren't even sure what they are doing yet.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Such a state of flux.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:53 PM
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getting back to the new commodore, from the little bit that can be seen, i like it seems like it will have an aggressive but not cartoony (aka charger) look to it. Im all for that. I am kinda worried about the apparent lack of rwd hardware. I dont know if its just a bad camera angle (dont think thats the case) but it doesnt even look like it was designed for rwd. the exhaust tubes dont even go up as to avoid the rear axel?!? Could it be a AWD variant and they are only testing the FD hardware?
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 12:00 AM
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i dunno it seems ugly.... but i guess your right.... just have to wait till 2007
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