M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Originally Posted by Evil Turbo SS
AWD still isnt as good as RWD for drag racing. Once you put slicks or some really sticky drag radials on a car the advantage goes back to RWD. AWD cars dont weight transfer well.
I agree though that with a set of slicks, RWD should be quicker, simply because a 2WD driveline will be more efficient than an AWD driveline.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
I'm incredibly impressed and kinda happy that it is that good. Definatly loose the wing if I had it though, **** is ugly. Rest of the car looks nice though. Another sick econo box to look out for 
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Just a real quick note....weight transfer is only important for traction, and is pretty much irrelevant for AWD, as all the weight of the car is always on the driven wheels. RWD needs that weight transfer in order to get as much weight as possible on the rear wheels.
I agree though that with a set of slicks, RWD should be quicker, simply because a 2WD driveline will be more efficient than an AWD driveline.
I agree though that with a set of slicks, RWD should be quicker, simply because a 2WD driveline will be more efficient than an AWD driveline.
Isn't that where RWD has the advantage? I'm not sure how the power transfer works with the AWD if the front wheels lift off.Dan
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
If the front wheels come off on an AWD car, then all the weight is still on the driven wheels - which is the point....all the weight is ALWAYS on the driven wheels.
Please don't mistake my intentions here....I'm not a big fan of AWD.
Please don't mistake my intentions here....I'm not a big fan of AWD.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
If the front wheels come off on an AWD car, then all the weight is still on the driven wheels - which is the point....all the weight is ALWAYS on the driven wheels.
Please don't mistake my intentions here....I'm not a big fan of AWD.
Please don't mistake my intentions here....I'm not a big fan of AWD.
Does the power get transfered all to the rear in that situation? So it's like a LSD, but front to rear, instead of one wheel to the other? So instead of a common 50/50 split front to rear, it goes to 0/100 automatically?
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
I don't think any are setup at 50/50, more like 40/60, but honestly, I'm not an expert so I can't tell you. Same goes for what would happen if the front wheels did indeed come off the ground - it might be that they'd start spinning due to some torque still going to them.
I guess I best not stray too far into an area that I'm not that familier with.
I guess I best not stray too far into an area that I'm not that familier with.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
No, no, no. Remember, steve2002 is right because he did a lot of research on the cars, which tells him that RSX is better. 
Where is that thread? I need to post a link here for him.
Where is that thread? I need to post a link here for him.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Originally Posted by Z28x
most are like 30/70 if it is a FWD based car. RWD based AWD is usually ~40/60 from what I've seen. STI is something like 35/65
Dan
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
So what happens when the front wheels come off the ground with AWD, or don't they ever make enough HP to do that?
...good point......And that shows the inherent limit of AWD. Any car will eventually get to this point if you keep adding power. The more unloaded the fronts become the less they can do, to the point they can barely be relied on for steering. At that point the weight of the extra shafts and CV joints is still along for the ride but is doing no good in helping you get to the finish line first.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Originally Posted by Gold_Rush
I don't know. There was some sort of sheet metal problem with the Cobalt coupes a couple of weeks back, mostly SS's and that caused a delay in delivery. I don't know if deliveries are back to normal or if the delay is still in effect.
Some good numbes.
Some good numbes.
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
OK. Time for some of you to line up and eat crow. 
1st up, saiyanrage:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327665
Remember I told you:
Bring a fork. 
1st up, saiyanrage:
The supercharged model is only 205 hp. My friggin 89 RS is faster!!!!
....Gary Cowger, president of GM, said the new Cobalt is certain to become a feared competitor in the small or compact car segment, which has long been ruled by Japan's Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic models...
Cowger predicted the tuner version of the Cobalt will help attract a whole new generation of automotive enthusiasts to GM and the Chevy brand.
And I predict if this is the future Im gonna be sick
....Gary Cowger, president of GM, said the new Cobalt is certain to become a feared competitor in the small or compact car segment, which has long been ruled by Japan's Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic models...
Cowger predicted the tuner version of the Cobalt will help attract a whole new generation of automotive enthusiasts to GM and the Chevy brand.
And I predict if this is the future Im gonna be sick
Remember I told you:
Hate to be the one to break it to ya, but that Cobalt SS WILL eat your 89 RS alive, without any mercy whatsoever!
You are making a huge mistake of looking only at the horsepower numbers and ignoring torque and vehicle weight. The SRT-4 has just 25 ponys more & it's LT1 F-body quick. Add Mopar's stage one kit which I think is less than $300, and the Neon SRT-4 is well in LS1 territory.
BTW, that 205 rating for the Cobalt is low. It's probally putting that down at the wheels!
You are making a huge mistake of looking only at the horsepower numbers and ignoring torque and vehicle weight. The SRT-4 has just 25 ponys more & it's LT1 F-body quick. Add Mopar's stage one kit which I think is less than $300, and the Neon SRT-4 is well in LS1 territory.
BTW, that 205 rating for the Cobalt is low. It's probally putting that down at the wheels!
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
BTW: I think Steve2002 needs $50:
Originally Posted by saiyanrage:
I never said I was stock, I just said I was faster
Originally posted by steve2002:
$50 on the cobalt
I never said I was stock, I just said I was faster
Originally posted by steve2002:
$50 on the cobalt
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Re: M/T gets 14.5@98.2 with Cobalt SS
Great news. The SRT-4 proved if you build a hot car, it will sell to the crowd that loves the sport compacts. I've been a big fan of the Cobalt since the first sketches and this is refreshing news to hear that its top model is one hot performer. If i was in the market right now, this car would seriously be near the top of my list, and thats coming from a RWD performance loving guy 