GT-R lap times exposed?
09-30-2008, 02:43 PM
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I wouldn't take Porsches 7' 54 time to the bank but I think the point is it isn't as quick as they are making it out to be. It's probably capable of a little better than the 7'54. Porsche is very confident that it isn't capable of 7'29 in stock form. I wouldn't be surprised if Nissan could squeeze another 10 seconds out of it (which would still make it slower than the Z06).
09-30-2008, 03:10 PM
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10-01-2008, 09:21 AM
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I wouldn't take Porsches 7' 54 time to the bank but I think the point is it isn't as quick as they are making it out to be. It's probably capable of a little better than the 7'54. Porsche is very confident that it isn't capable of 7'29 in stock form. I wouldn't be surprised if Nissan could squeeze another 10 seconds out of it (which would still make it slower than the Z06).
10-01-2008, 12:52 PM
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Wow…all this vitriol against the GT-R and praise for the 911 Turbo, GT-2 and Z06; one would think the GR-R is the Anti-Christ based on the hatred.
What’s amusing is that all this comes mostly from folks who likely will never buy a current example of any of the vehicles mentioned above!
What’s amusing is that all this comes mostly from folks who likely will never buy a current example of any of the vehicles mentioned above!
10-01-2008, 12:59 PM
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Wow…all this vitriol against the GT-R and praise for the 911 Turbo, GT-2 and Z06; one would think the GR-R is the Anti-Christ based on the hatred.
What’s amusing is that all this comes mostly from folks who likely will never buy a current example of any of the vehicles mentioned above!
What’s amusing is that all this comes mostly from folks who likely will never buy a current example of any of the vehicles mentioned above!
Didn't their momma ever tell them, "liers go to hell!".
10-01-2008, 01:10 PM
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The "hatred" is because this type of blatant lying undermines the incredible achievements of performance cars like the Z06 and Porsche 911. This cannot be allowed to happen or it could lead to the credibility of all manufacturers claims being questioned. It can also wrongly tarnish the reputation of a manufacturer, which is likely Porsche's concern in this case.
Didn't their momma ever tell them, "liers go to hell!".
Didn't their momma ever tell them, "liers go to hell!".
I also wonder; why a U.S. spec car? I don't recall that Nissan said the car they ran was a U.S. spec did they?
When it comes to the tires used...if Nissan used and R compound tire is that against the rules? I don't know...do you?
Which begs the question of what are the "rules" about running the 'ring anyway??? As far as I know, there aren't any at least none that must be followed.
If Nissan did in fact lie then they deserve whatever blow-back comes from it but I can tell you this, the GT-R is one awesome vehicle as I had the chance to experience on the track first hand over the Labor Day weekend.
10-01-2008, 01:16 PM
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When it comes to the tires used...if Nissan used and R compound tire is that against the rules? I don't know...do you?
Which begs the question of what are the "rules" about running the 'ring anyway??? As far as I know, there aren't any at least none that must be followed.
Which begs the question of what are the "rules" about running the 'ring anyway??? As far as I know, there aren't any at least none that must be followed.
10-01-2008, 01:24 PM
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I think it's a bit of a rush to judgment (probably because people want it to be true) to assume that anyone lied just because Porsche didn't get the lap times Nissan claimed...I think it at least worth questioning exactly how Porsche's "tested" the GT-R.
I also wonder; why a U.S. spec car? I don't recall that Nissan said the car they ran was a U.S. spec did they?
When it comes to the tires used...if Nissan used and R compound tire is that against the rules? I don't know...do you?
Which begs the question of what are the "rules" about running the 'ring anyway??? As far as I know, there aren't any at least none that must be followed.
If Nissan did in fact lie then they deserve whatever blow-back comes from it but I can tell you this, the GT-R is one awesome vehicle as I had the chance to experience on the track first hand over the Labor Day weekend.
I also wonder; why a U.S. spec car? I don't recall that Nissan said the car they ran was a U.S. spec did they?
When it comes to the tires used...if Nissan used and R compound tire is that against the rules? I don't know...do you?
Which begs the question of what are the "rules" about running the 'ring anyway??? As far as I know, there aren't any at least none that must be followed.
If Nissan did in fact lie then they deserve whatever blow-back comes from it but I can tell you this, the GT-R is one awesome vehicle as I had the chance to experience on the track first hand over the Labor Day weekend.
It is a better assumption that Nissan lied based on Porsche's results than it is to assume the GTR could run those times. I mean come on, open your eyes. The same driver, on the same day, ran a 7:54 in the GTR and 7:30's in the two Porsche's. You might have a bit of an argument if the GTR was a Viper ACR or something else that takes lots of seat time to perfect, but the AWD, automatic, GTR, is FAR from that. After all, that is one of the beauties of the car. 25 seconds is an ETERNITY.
You do know Nissan has lied about track times in the past and been publicly humiliated for it right??? Anyone have the magazine article scan that was floating around a while back....
10-01-2008, 01:28 PM
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If so...how is that unfair?
It might well be an important piece of information to have when making a comparison but I'm not sure it's unfair.
I know that when I take my vehicle to a track day or an autocross, I'm usually running something other that street tires but some people do use their stock/street tires...am I being unfair or am I just using the best equipment available to me?
10-01-2008, 01:32 PM
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However, as I said above, if Nissan lied or withheld the truth, they deserve what they get for doing so.
