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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:58 AM
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Okay, let's just put it this way:

Lets say they save 3 hours by flying private. That's 3 extra hours they can spend talking with government officials. That might be enough time to accomplish something.
.....or maybe they set up a teleconference and save the TIME AND MONEY.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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.....or maybe they set up a teleconference and save the TIME AND MONEY.
Or maybe they could teleport and save the WORLD


Old Nov 20, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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My cousin is the CEO of a company and has his own jet. I can really see him being late for a meeting because the airlines screwed something up or him getting bumped for being overbooked. It is standard practice for a lot of companies.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:01 AM
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At $28 million a year maybe he can pay for the private flights himself?
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by robvas
Or just do it over speakerphone.

But the news would find something else to bitch about.

"GM execs all got footlong subs from Subway sent to their meeting. Bastards could have packed PB&J!"
...or at least not have sprung for extra cheese. WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?!?
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:07 AM
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Airport security for 2 hours? You guys are crazy. I've flown out of Atlanta twice this year and both times it took me less than 10 minutes to get through security. The largest portion of my time spent there was checking my baggage and then riding the tram to my gate. If I had of prechecked my baggage online I could have shaved another 10-20 minutes off my time.

CEO's could have assistants that handle all their baggage checks so basically all the CEO has to do is go through security.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:07 AM
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Since your argument is pretty much just a rant, I'll just say that the jet was paid for by GM. The pilot is on staff, getting paid to fly or stay home. The "profit" from selling the jet would be a rounding error on the balance sheet, and in no way change anything about GM's financial situation. Finally, people that run multibillion dollar corporations don't fly commercial, that's not an extravagance, it's a business necessity. They don't sleep or watch the in flight movie on these flights, they are constantly working, and a commercial jet would not allow that sort of "office on the go" environment. The only CEO's at this level that I can think of that fly commercially are CEO's of the major airlines, and all they do is kick out the first class cabin on whatever flight they want to be on, whether it's business OR pleasure.
Look the word "rhetorical" up in the dictionary mmmkay? Thanks a bunch.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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My cousin is the CEO of a company and has his own jet. I can really see him being late for a meeting because the airlines screwed something up or him getting bumped for being overbooked. It is standard practice for a lot of companies that are making a profit and can afford to pay for it.
Fixed.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:15 AM
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.....or maybe they set up a teleconference and save the TIME AND MONEY.
Yeah, because when you're looking to borrow 25 billion dollars from the US government in an attempt to save your industry and company, you're just going to phone it in.


Headline: "Auto industry big-wigs want $25B loan, but it's not important enough to ask for in person...they phoned in instead!"
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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I flew last year, I probably stood in line around an hour going through security. Hell I sat on the plane for almost a half hour while they boarded. Everyone was bitching "We're going to miss our next flight if we don't leave soon!"
What airport? I flew out of Atlanta, Seattle, and Portland (Maine not Oregon), and didn't stand in security for more than 10 minutes at any of them. All of them had multiple checkpoints you could go through. I also (stupidly) left the "clean" area of Dallas airport while I had a layover and had to recheck myself through security. Still didn't take long at all. All you gotta do is toss your shoes and bag up on a conveyor belt then walk through the metal detector.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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At $28 million a year maybe he can pay for the private flights himself?
That is what he is owed:

Ford Chairman Bill Ford hasn't been compensated for working at his great grandfather's company since May 2005, and he doesn't intend to cash in until the Blue Oval makes a sustained profit. Ford's board of directors decided that nearly three years was too long to work pro bono and tried to pay the Ford family scion, but the chairman again refused to reneg on his pay-free pledge



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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:31 AM
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Ford's board of directors decided that nearly three years was too long to work pro bono and tried to pay the Ford family scion
You know it's bad when the Ford family ends up buying a Scion











Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:33 AM
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Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:34 AM
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Airport security for 2 hours? You guys are crazy. I've flown out of Atlanta twice this year and both times it took me less than 10 minutes to get through security. The largest portion of my time spent there was checking my baggage and then riding the tram to my gate. If I had of prechecked my baggage online I could have shaved another 10-20 minutes off my time.

CEO's could have assistants that handle all their baggage checks so basically all the CEO has to do is go through security.
Sure you might get through in 10 minutes but you never know when it will take 2 hours. With the current regulations I'm 99% sure an assistant can't check backs for someone else.

I also doubt these guys knew exactly when they would beleaving until shortly before they did. You ever priced out a last minute ticket? Now try getting 10-15 of them, at the right time, without getting delayed, lugggage lost, or standed at a third airport. If you can do that for less than 20K and prove none of those problems will arise you may have a case to make against them using their jet. Also, don't forget to take into account that they have to pay for that jet even if they don't use it, so that cost needs to be added to the commercial route also.

Out of the last 6 plane trips I've been on, only 1 got me to the right city on the right day, and that one was still 4 hours late. If I had a meeting as important as theirs there is no way I'd trust the airline industry.
Old Nov 20, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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i don't think the private jet thing is really worth all the attention. I see the point that people and the media are trying to make but i think it's irrelevant to the situation at hand.

Are executives compensated in the corporate world ? yes, and they make alot of money, plus perks, etc.


Thats ok. Thats the corporate world.

If any criticism is due to the Big three CEOs and board members is it should be based on the business. Everyone either failed or was powerless to act fast enough.

You can't predict economic recessions but your business should be able to survive one. Especially an industry of this size.



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